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UFC Fight Night Events Thread - Spoilers Within

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    All hype as usual

    Ufc standard is now watered down and average beyond belief


    Comms talking her up. Easily subbed. Irish girl same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Aspinall impressive


    So quick



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Aspinall is the real deal!

    Bannon and Molly training with each other didn't really help one another.

    Although to be fair they tried to fast-track Bannon. Ufc within 18months turning pro so hope she learns from it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,483 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    Doesn't say much for Irish MMA when Shauna Bannon is the best/only one we can get on a (piss-poor) card in London.

    Ian Garry will be carrying the flag for a while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,681 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    The women's divisions especially are so poor.

    Delighted for Tom anyway, genuine title challenger, I think he can beat Gane and get a shot at Jones.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,154 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The problem is that all our potentially great MMA women are playing Rugby, Camogie and Gaelic football.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,840 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    She certainly has has holes in her game. But I don’t think “rolled into that armbar” is a valid criticism there.

    Julija is a high level black belt who literally specialises on armbars. She took the armbar.

    Post edited by Mellor on


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,154 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I concur and Molly is entertaining because of the potential of a knockout. I can see her being around for another few years if she wants to keep.going.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Bannon's only saving grace is that he weakness is so glaring obvious that it should be easy enough to fix,

    Its a lack of strength & physicality ,

    Its easy to see why , she's come from the Wako rules kick boxing it very point ordinated so power is not really needed, You could see from her build alone a total lack of any upper body strength ,

    She needs to get her far stronger and rugged , Not sure how Paddy is on that end of thing but she really needs to dedicate herself to strength & conditioning for the next 6 months ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Molly was in a perfect position to defend that arm bar, Julija could not stretch herself out & was never going to fnoish it from that postion,

    Molly quite literally rolled herself into the arm bar ,its not a go at her but its exactly what happened, If she had of remained composed & stayed put she was in no danger,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,840 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Molly’s arm was isolated from the rest of her body. That position offered no defence. You can easily finish from there. It’s a pretty common position to finish from. Julija had already started to extend before the roll. She would have been armbared regardless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I'm afraid this time your totally wrong or just refusing to back track,

    Molly was in the perfect position to defend it, her arm was not extended & Julija was never in a million year getting it until the roll ,

    Molly should have stayed where she was remained clam got her feet under her & stacked Julija further into the fence,

    I'm really surprised with you on this because it was pretty obvious to anyone with even limited knowledge that roll literally gave her the submission to say other is simply incorrect



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,314 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    So is her arm broken? Didn't look good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭barryribs


    I disagree, when Stoliarenko's head was past the hips it was difficult to defend, once her right leg came across the face it was over before she ever rolled.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    She had control of the arm but she had no room to straighten out, & she had no way to put the pressure on the elbow with her hip, Molly literally rolled into the perfect position to alloy her to finish,



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Come on your not finishing an arm bar from there on anyone who's got half decent grappling experience ,

    There is absolutely zero logic in rolling in that position



  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭barryribs


    It's already over at that point, no one is going to be able to stack an armbar specialist from that position, with them already having isolated the arm. It may not have finished as quickly if she didn't roll, but it was inevitable once she got to that position



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Zverklez


    I noticed this was on Virgin Media, are there plans to show more UFC events on there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    She had no way of finishing the arm bar without changing her position, which was going to be extremely difficult being stuck to the fence, How do you see her finishing it from there ?

    Molly literally rolled into it , it was showed horrendous understanding of what was happing on Molly's part,



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,840 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I definitely see no need to track back. Anyone thinks that position was a strong defence for the armbar just simply doesn’t see the finish from there. You are looking at it very one dimensionally.

    Her arm was separated from her body. She has no way to defend, other than bicep and shoulder strength.

    It’s true than she can’t move fully back to hyperextend horizontally because of the cage. But she doesn’t need to. Just needs to get the angle and extend her hips forward.

    This image is less than a second after the one you posted. Molly’s is the red glove. You can see it’s gone from in free space to against Juilja’s chest. Her arm is straightened.

    You really think that if Molly “sprawls”there that Julija isn’t strong enough to hip into arm. I think it would be trivial. Her deadlift vrs a bicep curl. FWIW there is some space to the cage that add further hyper extension.

    That position is a really strong armbar finish. In addition to hyper extending, it also strongly internally rotates the shoulder. That’s why it’s a really common reaction to try roll out, like Molly did. It’s possible to make enough space to get out. But much easier to follow and finish.

    The better way to escape is to circle clockwise. But ironic Molly was block from going that way by the cage.

    I stand by my initial comment. It was over before the roll.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    For arguments sake even if i agree with you( i donlt ) ,we can all still be 100% certain Molly had more of chance surviving right there than she did by rolling,

    No matter what we both say in the end the original assessment still stand true that Molly literally rolled into the finish ,

    For the record i think if Molly stay put goes to her knees & moves her knees towards the cage ,its next to impossible to be finished as he Juilja doesn't have room to change position .

    We will never know for sure but you can bet your house her coach has already told her not to roll in that position again ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭barryribs


    The roll is literally the least of the issues in that fight. After the shot doesn't come, she over swings with a right hand, she defends the initial trip well but is so far towards the middle of the octagon that the second phase of the takedown is successful.

    She immediately gives up her back, and allows both hooks in without any resistance. Stoliarenko then moves to McCanns left side and McCann rolls away from it to give up her back again. She is defending by holding Stoliarenko's left wrist with her left arm.

    From here Stoliarenko moves back towards McCann's left arm and hooks it through with her right arm. She has the chance here to maintain full guard and minimise any risk of the arm bar. Stoliarenko uses her toes in the fence to roll from her shoulders to her side and McCann's head lifts off the mat allowing Stoliarenko to put her right leg across her face.

    There is 25 seconds between the punch and the point above where she has both legs across McCann's body & face. I would take that bet and say Rimmer or whoever is coaching her grappling, is focusing on the half dozen mistakes made prior so that she doesn't end up in that position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,840 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The original assessment definitely does not stand true imo. You said that she was safe if she stayed there, couldn't be finished, and was only finished because she rolled. I'm saying that every part of that is incorrect. It's fine if we don't agree. But disagreeing doesn't mean it was therefore 100% correct.

    She was finished regardless of the roll, as I outlined above. I even disagree that she had more change of surviving by staying there. There was 3 mins left, she had 0% chance unless she escaped. You are still ignoring the fact that the roll wasn't just some hail mary move, it was forced by the internal rotation pressure on the shoulder. I highly doubt that her coach has focus on or even cared about the roll. The issues are that she allowed her back to be taken and her arm to be attacked. Those that the issues.

    If we're going to go down hypotheticals of what she could have done. She needed to connect her hands and defend, or ideally prevent it from being separated to begin with. The roll was executed terribly obviously. But it is possible to roll and escape, you need to beat the legs. It's not a high percentage escape. A better option would be to try cartwheel over - but the a lot easier in space without the cage in the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Any option or chance she had however slim ended with the roll, There fore there for she rolled inot the submission ,

    I don't think Stoliarenko can finish from that position without readjusting things & there is the chance to escape,

    Has Molly herself spoke about the finish ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,840 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    And I think she can finish from there. It’s about extending the hips not arching the back. Agree to disagree.

    Haven’t heard Molly say anything about it. But to be completely honest, she’s hard to listen to so I haven’t checked out any interviews.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,314 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,483 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    It won't take Iasmin Lucindo long to scoot up those strawweight rankings.

    Only 21...definitely a future champ.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,483 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    All three judges gave that to Cub Swanson??????

    Even Cub seems bemused haha.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,299 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Feel kinda bad for Chris Daukaus. Quit his job as a police officer and gets KO'd badly 4 fights in a row in awful performances.

    Where does he go from here. He did get fed pretty much straight killers but it's shown he's clearly not gonna ever be competitive around the rankings in either weight class.

    He has decent hands but almost nothing else for the higher levels of competition. He did look physically a lot better at LHW.

    Does he have any fights left on his contract? They should give him someone like Tanner Boser or St Preux if he does, then see what's what.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,946 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Zombie went out banging. 😍


    What a fun career and that entrance! Hope he does well in retirement.



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