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Glastonbury 2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    Isint Finn still a member of FM now? Thought Buckingham was still persona non grata with them,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    They got both Finn & Mike Campbell to replace Buckingham so I’d guess he could return with Finn in place. Some or other member of the band is always out of favour, or missing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Personally I wouldn't cross the road to see Fleetwood Mac but, for conversation, if they did play Glastonbury, where would you think? Legend or headline the Pyramid? I'm assuming, given their egos, they would have to headline.

    And who would be the ultimate Legends act?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    They’re the act that Michael Eavis regularly refers to as the one he most wants. One of the biggest selling acts of all time whose last English dates were two nights selling out Wembley Stadium in 2019. The idea of them being anything but headliners would not even enter my thoughts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,547 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    There's a lot more that would give them headline status than just their ego. If Fleetwood Mac are playing anywhere, they're headlining easily and would likely be the biggest headliner on the list



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,283 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Could have had Lana headline instead of GnR surely? If Billie **** Eilish can do it she can, she has real talent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    Lizzo should have headlined. Has the hits and energy. Gnr are just boring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,421 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    does that article say it was GNR that issued a correction to the guardian ? Or did the guardian journalist look at Wikipedia after they wrote the article initially?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,121 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Was Beyonce or Madonna also rumoured? Lizzo is a big artist, Grammy and Brit winner



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Absolutely. They’re bigger than any act headlining this year. None of them could sell out two nights at Wembley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,696 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    I agree. But at least GnR haven't headlined before (I don't think)

    Arctic Monkeys are boring and they've already headlined a couple of times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Now, I think G n' R will be fun but I agree, as much as I know bugger all about Lizzo, I know she's huge. Maybe not Sat night huge but Friday night, her headlining, then Arctic Monkeys then Elton John. I would have given her a miss but, again, big act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,547 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    No idea, I just went straight to Taylor on some assumption as I thought she was supposed to tour this year but had nothing announced yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    Now that he's ticked the Stones off his list, they're pretty much the only other Jurrasic era giants left as a going concern he's not bagged (apart from the Kinks* who are talking to each other again but not gotten round to doing anything)


    *Kinks are obviously not in same ball park of scale but would be utterly class. Saw FM in the point in 2013, they were an absolute class live act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The Sat headliner has not been the main one for quite some time, it can be any of the three nights. Artists to take the Fri night slot in the past 15 years include Radiohead, Neil Young, U2, Arcade Fire & Muse.

    And I agree re Lizzy being big enough for a headlining slot though GnR probably more fun. Lana del Ray undoubtedly there or nearly there to top the bill but more downbeat. Two of the three headliners in 2024 to be female I expect, Taylor Swift and a Stevie Nicks-led Mac or Beyoncé/Rihanna.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    He often mentions Zep as well but I think Plant has definitely had enough of that. FM superb on the RDS in 2019 and they’d storm Glasto. I was astonished by how many youngsters were there, they seem to have an appeal to the youth that other acts of the era haven’t managed.

    And the Kinks. If only. A perennial rumour but I think Dave Davies’ health must be a major factor. And his brother’s bloody-mindedness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    The Zepplin time is gone, saw the Plant/Page unplugged tour in 95(?), think that's as close as I'll get to seeing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,907 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    What hits does she have bar a couple of songs, she is nowhere near headlining status, she hasn't even sold out her Uk arena tour.

    Gnr are legends.

    Lizzo is a big artist, Grammy and Brit winner

    So is Sam Smith ,look at the ticket sales for his upcoming tour, Brits and Grammy are utter trash.

    Far better headliners this year than the dreck last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    Gnr are at best a two album band (when you remove the crud from both volumes from their magnum egoitus) trading on a reputation from over 30 years ago.

    What have they produced in the last 20 years* in their stop start grab the money and run reunions?


    Last year had Lamar (superb artist with solid track record of music), Eilish (the future) and an actual musical god.



    *Yes, I'm ignoring Chinese Democracy, as everyone else should also (and I bought the **** thing)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    GnR aren't the problem. One of the biggest rock bands of all time. Haven't played before. All good.

    Arctic Monkeys headling for the 3rd time is the problem.



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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 15,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    Was lucky to see Fleetwood Mac once back in 2015/2016??? and it was a fantastic gig especially having Christine back in the mix. As said they were to play Glasto (which Eavis has tried but mentioned their fee is too big)they would headline which is a no brainer.

    Agree with the overall view that the line up isn't great, AM are boring live imo, GNR are on like their 3rd go of back to back UK tours and Elton John who is a legend seems to struggle singing these days(going by a few clips). Lizzo will probably headline Other Stage but she is definitely a future Pyramid headliner. Could QOTSA sub AM since they already did the other stage before, maybe Royal Blood to headline the Other Stage one of the nights?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    I’ve no problem with the headliners though none are exciting bookings. Artics very popular but a very dull live band and it gets repetitive with repeat headliners as happened with Muse and Coldplay far too often.

    And yes @scruff monkey the here acts in 2022 were far more varied and significant. I’m also uninterested in Taylor Swift but she’ll set the place alight in 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,907 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Billie Eilish mimed most of her act, headliners shouldn't be doing that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Why does this nonsense keep coming up? Same said about Dolly Parton and others by people who don’t seem to understand the slight delay from sound to camera.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,907 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Its not rubbish, I'm well aware of sync delays between audio and video.

    Billie was largely lip syncing to a backing track.

    Its widely know that Dolly Parton has been lip syncing for decades too.

    People have compared the audio tracks from her concerts over many years and they are exactly the same.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Nonsense re Dolly at Glasto, it arose due to people not being ably to understand the synching. I was at the set and it was clearly not mimed , some small glitches in the performance clarified that.

    Same re Billie, this is just guff that the truly gullible take in from random YouTube videos. Please provide something from an accredited journalistic or industry source if you want to be taken seriously.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭nc6000


    She's been singing that song for almost 50 years, I'm not surprised it often sounds the exact same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,283 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Hilarious nonsense. "I saw it on youtube so it must be true". This is why the world is going to sh!t, people have lost the ability to use their f*cking brains. I was in the crowd watching Billie she wasn't lip syncing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,907 ✭✭✭Zardoz



    Next you will be telling us that Britney Spears doesnt lip sync either.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    Its obvious that Dolly is miming but I read a good article on it online years back where a few people ran multiple live songs of hers over the years through audio software and the songs were exactly the same, pitch perfect.

    Thats science, they are recordings, less of the snarky remarks please.

    Ive seen Dolly up close, few rows away in the Marquee and she was lip syncing, not very noticeable at first but there were occasions where it was obvious.

    She sings some parts of songs live like Billie but its mostly backing tracks, no need for people to be defensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Definitely not miming when she was at EP either. This sort of gullibility is what led to Trump, Brexit, Bolsonaro, etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    So no accredited industry or journalistic course as requested?

    No defensiveness from us here, just a low threshold for stupidity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Ricosruffneck


    Can't understand how people are excited for Billie Eilish.

    Marketing over merit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,696 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    I remember seeing (on TV) her performance on the Other Stage and it was amazing, she was a great performer and blew it out of the water. I was all for her being a headliner, but her headline performance was pretty flat, sadly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Her performance on the Other was nowhere near as good in person. Bit flat. The Beeb can work wonders.

    The kids love her though. She's still only 21 which is mental.

    Just looking back, that Sunday in 2019. Methodist Church Choir, Mavis Staples, Kylie, Good the Bad and the Queen, Little Simz, Billie Eilish, Kamazi Washington, Janelle Monae, The Cure. Value for cash right there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Good at the Picnic but inessential. I think Bad Boys, Bury a Friend and the Bond theme are great tracks, a few other decent ones but 60 mins would be enough for me. Dragging along Johnny Marr or other guests would help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    That’s one hell of an eclectic and brilliant mix. All of them I’ve seen have been impressive, and hopefully I’ll get to see Washington sometime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,180 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    When did it become compulsory to have a female headliner? Did Glastonbury make a commitment to do so in the past few years or something? I went 10 years ago and the headliners were The Rolling Stones, Arctic Monkeys and Mumford and Sons. Not much chat about that lineup other than Mumford and Sons being completely shíte. I only went to see the Stones in the end, you could happily avoid the pyramid stage all weekend anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    It’s not, but given the proliferation of significant female acts it’s unusual when none are headliners. Glastonbury and Primavera Sound have admirably made a stance on this and both aim for as close to possible a 50/50 gender split. Easier for Glasto than a more indie-ish fest like PS.

    Expect two of the three Somerset headliners to be female in 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Madge and Taylor.

    The problem with the 50/50 thing is that the music industry isn't split 50/50 male/female. There arent the same amount of suitable female acts as male acts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    That's probably true. However yeah, it's gotta be Taylor for Saturday next time. Madonna though? Where to place her? Would have to be headline Sunday? And a British group/solo for Friday I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Probably makes sense. Unless Madge goes all diva about not doing Saturday and/or being upstaged by Taylor. Madge has a history of being a bit of a prat regarding other female "rivals".

    The state of her though, fcuks sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    I think that Glasto are doing it cleverly, aiming for a balance but not confining themselves as Primavera have done. When you set quotas for gender then race, disability, sexuality will follow and you tie yourself up in knots. The Eavises are wisely going down the egalitarian route but giving themselves some wriggle room.

    And, as ever, the acts that can sell out large venues will be the acts that get the big slots irrespective of their race, gender, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    As before there’s no great difference between any of the nights. The days of Saturday being the main headliner are long past. It happens regularly (Macca, Stones) but in the past twenty years it can just as equally be Friday (U2, Arcade Fire, REM, Radiohead) or Sunday (The Who, Blur, Stevie Wonder, Beyoncé, Coldplay, The Cure, Ed Sheeran, etc). It’s basically down to touring schedules and artists negotiating spots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The Saturday night headliner gets a longer and later time slot still. GnR will do 2 1/2 hours.

    Anyway Taylor defo for 24, maybe Madge but I suppose Rhianna or Dua Lipa too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Ricosruffneck


    Do you folks that pilgrimage to Glastonbury go to other fests or is it Glasto all the time?

    Why not Roskilde or something else?

    Having enjoyed camp fests like EP, sziget and non camp like mad cool/nos alive I'm curious and perhaps would like to go next year.

    Is Glastonbury your fav or do you have a better fest.

    Like I can imagine trucking over all your stuff to the UK is a slog. What's the sound like?

    What's it like watching the main stage on the outskirts of the crowd when the main act is on?

    What's the main selling point to you?

    Thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Ive been to Witness, Oxegen etc loads, Picnic a few times, Glasto (lost count) Mad Cool, Rock Am Ring and now go to End of the Road every year.

    End of the Road is the only one that comes close to Glasto in terms of the buzz there, albeit a lot more chilled and easy. First thing I judge, can you bring your own booze in. If not, its a no from me.

    Sound at Glasto is usually great. Theyve had new audio guys for the last decade or so. I bring less and less every year. 1 rucksack and the missus brings a small rucksack.

    Theres nowhere like Glasto. Apart from the New Orleans French Quarter festival but thats a different jaunt!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Hah. Yeah, it's quite possible that they would have 3 female headliners. Can you IMAGINE the frothing at the mouth at that? Hahahaha All the usual suspects (Who have never been) would trot out the usual "XYZ is not Glasto material". They would lose. their. freakin'. MINDS at that :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Friday sad Saturday’ headliners have finished at the same time (11.45) for several years. Sunday is usual 11.30.

    McCartney got longer but that’s to be expected. I’ve never known any priority in time for Saturday nights. At the previous fest in 2019 The Cure had the longest set on Sunday night. The last festival before that in 2017 Radiohead on the Friday night had 2hrs 15mins, 30 mins more than Ed Sheeran on the Sunday and 15 more than the Foo Fighters on the Saturday. Clashfinder was my source.

    Any night is good for an act to headline, though some artists may see it differently. And I reckon Madonna would not want to compete with Taylor Swift on crowd numbers over the weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 986 ✭✭✭crl84


    Imagine EP, but far less commercial branding shite. And about 10 times the size. Far more hidden areas and a much better lineup. Glastonbury has approx 100 stages. They only show 6 of them on TV. The first two days don't have anyone playing on the big stages, but have 30 odd stages open on the Wednesday, and even more on the Thursday.

    Roskilde has about 8 stages and is far, far weaker than even the main two stages at Glastonbury IMO.

    Taking stuff over is fine. We get the ferry and drive with a car load of stuff. Friends have also flown and checked in their gear, and then picked up supplies in a taxi on the way to the site.

    What's the sound like is an unanswerable question. There's 100 stages with 100 different setups/configurations, with 100 different sound engineers....

    Never been to Sziget, but EP doesn't hold a candle to it, especially what EP has become in the last 5 or so years.

    I still go to other festivals, both camping and non-camping, but Glastonbury is by far the best of them all IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    The first couple of times I was at Glasto, a couple of our group were always of the mindset to sit as far back as possible to avoid the crowd. Looking at the crowd, it always looks like a nightmare from the distance.

    However later (Once the couple stopped going) we decided to give it a go to go in further. When at the Pyramid now we usually aim for between the sound stages, towards the front and this is no problem. Yes, it's crowded. You will not be sitting down for the last couple of acts on the Pyramid. But there is room to breathe and move than it looks (Usually). But, of course you can grab your chair and sit further back. Sound on the main stages are fine, even back a bit due to the layout. The Pyramid and Park have slopes behind them, West Holts has a lot of stalls around it etc.

    I've only ever also been to EP and a couple of other much smaller festivals. As has been said above, Glasto is large. It can take you 20 mins + to get from one stage/area to another (You most certainly will get your ten thousand steps in). But if you stay at the main stages, you are missing a HUGE amount. (Having seen the Arctic Monkeys there before, I would be giving them a miss if I get resale tickets).

    Hauling your stuff... Depends on what you want, how you want to get there and where you want to go. I'm old... so very old. So we usually fly into Bristol. Usually Wednesday. Do a big booze shop and some last minute things (Wellies maybe) in Bristol and get the bus on Thursday morning. Usually stay 5 mins or so from the Bus gate area as it's far enough back that music won't cause an issue if you are back early (Although removing trees between Other Stage and this area lead to a noticable increase in volume. But this IS a music festival and if one complains about the music being too loud, maybe it's not for them 😀).

    So when leaving the tent to head in, I usually have my chair, fleecy top, poncho (Depending on weather), bog-roll, baby wipes, empty 1.5 litre bottle for water and booze. As I don't drink shorts, I try to stick to wine for alcohol as drinking gallon after gallon of beer and then standing in the middle of a crowd for a few hours is... yeah, is taxing. (But I do sample the local ciders. It would be rude not to, in sommerset). So it's not too bad at all. Some go lighter, some haul carts.

    If it's your first time, pace yourself, have a realistic timetable (You are NOT going to catch a bit of clashing acts). hydrate and have fun. It's both bigger and smaller than you think and both more than and less than you expect. I know that sounds stupid. But at times we make it sound like it's heaven on earth. It's not. But the people and craic is great ans it should be experienced by anyone who has even a passing interest in music festivals.



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