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Russian build up along Ukraine

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    That presumes all of those systems were fully functioning, switched on and ready to engage with a crew prepared for such an attack. Everything we’ve seen from the Russian military so far would bring at least some if not all of those into question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    That’s what the Russians said.

    Like a lot of their talk it has shown up be a load of Rubbish.

    id be surprised at this stage if the even have a functioning ICBM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Yeah..........but its Russian so we all know its crap, they were caught slippin' or sippin'😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Some photos are leaking of the Moskva, looks like significant internal fires post impact but the ASM missiles seem intact in the photos:

    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1515818122036621321



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    No the missiles that the navy have been launching aren’t the type carried by the Moskva, she would still have been fully loaded (or at least should have been, god knows the Russians could have sold them off), might explain the eagerness to abandon ship if there was a chance of a cook off. Think the growing consensus is that it was large scale internal fire that killed her, but as you say she’s gone now.

    The Russian fleet has backed off from Odessa and the chances of an amphibious assault all but gone after this. Meanwhile reports of a chance that Ukrainian forces might repeat the Kyiv style counterattack and threaten the Izyum attack, though Ukraine is reporting they believe the new attack in the Donbas region is starting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Hopefully the russian black sea fleet follows it to the bottom



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Depends on a lot of factors, they’ve backed off from their earlier close positions, in the meantime the Neptune missile was only just entering service for Ukraine, how many do they have operational (I’d guess not many given the earlier targets), and while the U.K. for one has promised ASMs, I don’t think any have arrived as the old Harpoons have to be converted for land based launches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The Donbass offensive has officially begun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Credible reports emerging that the Russian frigate Admiral Makarov has taken cruise missile hits and is afire in coastal waters of the Black Sea.

    If true, its almost more devastating to them than the Moskva, because the Makarov is basically brand new with the best of offensive and defensive kit in the fleet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    If true as you say it’s a heavy blow, it’s impressive that the Russian Navy is losing to a nation that effectively doesn’t have a navy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Indeed. Funny then, that after Moskva, fleet assets operating in range of the Neptune missile system aren't in permanent defensive posture.

    The Russian military really is shyte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    I presume the yanks are giving advice how to beat their defense systems, on fire near snake Island apparently, the rest of the fleet on the way to help makes it sound like a serious fire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Given Russian performance so far in this war, I’d imagine they aren’t even close to the Israeli level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Well they have admitted that a P8 gave info for targeting the Moskva, they might have done the same here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I think without question Ukraine are receiving real time intelligence of the highest quality from western assets. This is consistent with the change in policy to provide offensive resources, such as counter-battery radar and advanced mobile artillery etc.

    The Russians ought to be filling their shorts at the prospect, frankly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They still have the option to pack up and go home. Just sayin'.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They do, of course. But let's be honest, it's very unlikely to go like that while Putin is in charge.

    I've been reading a bit today about the potential for Putin to use the May 9th Anniversary to declare War and enable mobilisation of his reserve forces, or not.

    Some commentators are suggesting that there is not a person attached to the Russian military or its reserve, that is not now fully aware of the reality for their comrades in theatre, that losses - KIA/serious wounded/captured - are nearing 30,000 and that despite all the propaganda, there is widespread anguish in the home bases of many units about where their men have disappeared to and why they are hearing no information about them.

    Further, it's being suggested that if inexperienced conscripts are dragged into service under a reserve activation, and they know their most likely fate is to be killed in action, putting an AK47 into each of their 200,000 pairs of hands is a very bad idea indeed for the Russian command. Does Putin want to enable his own downfall by armed revolution and social order collapse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If the rumours going around about Putin's health are true, you'd have to wonder how long he can hold onto power anyway.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In the Soviet days, a leader as flaky as Vladimir would have been removed ages ago.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Credible reports emerging that Ukraine has succeeded striking this Elbrus Class auxiliary logistics vessel and that it was being consumed by fire off Crimea, but is under tow.

    The 95m ship is just over one year old and has a gross tonnage of 10,000t.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Sounds like Skynet is active.

    (Russian claims have not been at all verified)

    Yury Borisov, deputy prime minister in charge of military development, told a news conference this week that Peresvet was already being widely deployed and it could blind satellites up to 1,500km above the earth.

    He also said there were more powerful systems that could burn up drones and other equipment, adding that a test on Tuesday had seen the weapon burn up a drone 5km away within five seconds.

    "If Peresvet blinds, then the new generation of laser weapons lead to the physical destruction of the target - thermal destruction, they burn up," he told Russian state television.

    Asked if such weapons were being used in Ukraine, Borisov said: "Yes. The first prototypes are already being used there." He said the weapon was called Zadira.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    Due to the way this war is being fought, at times long range with missiles, and then short range, with hand held weapon efficiency favouring the Ukrainian side, followed by indiscriminate artillery fire by the Russians. It is leading to a tennis style attritional combat. it leaves very little worth having when ground is taken but more importantly cannot provide a physical point for stopping to initiate a peace agreement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    Since before the actual attack on Ukraine, and the much publicised " we are not going to attack" phase, we have had a continuing demonstration of Russian treachery in conducting the war even to the point of appearing to sign an agreement to free up Ukrainian grain exports, to alleviate world hunger, and then targeting Odesa within 24 hrs of the signed agreement. They switched on Gas to Europe a few days ago and then reduced it to 20% the next Day. They encourage calm by saying we are concentrating on Donebas and then rain terror down on population centres miles from the battle zones. They cannot be trusted now or ever in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Here are a couple of YT channels I have found very informative from the military side of the conflict:


    Firstly, Prerun. This guy apparently put out computer game videos prior to this outbreak which makes it all the more remarkable that he's been able to pivot to generating such high quality deep-dive military videos. They're all roughly an hour and follow a presentation-like format but they are excellently researched and data-driven.

    He typically has 1 video per week - which is understandable given the level of detail in them.



    Secondly there is this guy. He's a Ukrainian pilot living in Ukraine so it's definitely biased in favour of the Ukrainian side. He puts out daily videos where he goes through the map of Ukraine discussing the latest battles in the conflict. It's a good way to keep up to date with the latest goings on:





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Looks like Russia is being routed in Kharkiv over the last few days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Looking at different Media I am seeing different views, Are the Russian lines collapsing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Posters on Twitter saying yesterday alone Russia lost 1,500 troops all KIA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Now is the time to be concerned. A wounded animal can do the most damage.

    While the Ukrainian counter-offensives are inspiring and great wins for them, I'd have a genuine fear that a significant route of the Russian Army in certain places, for instance one that cuts off Crimea from the contiguous Russian bridgehead, could result in the deployment of a tactical nuclear weapon against advancing Ukrainian forces.

    Putin is a rat in a corner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    While the Kherson operations is going slowly, the Kharkiv operation has blown a massive hole in their lines and likely to lead to the withdrawal out of the South of the Kharkiv region. It seems they have no operational reserves in the area having stripped them to support Kherson.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    At this stage trying to guess what is in Putin mind is a fools goal. He may decide as you say to pop a nuke, either on Ukrainian forces (though given how dispersed they are not sure how much it would get him) or behind the lines or on a range as a threat. But that will likely only lead to further escalations anyway…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Ukrainian forces have taken Izyum this morning (it took the Russians the better part of a month to take it), further reports of Russian forces basically collapsing in the area, huge amount of stores and equipment being taken by Ukrainian forces.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Is this the start of the turning point in the war? I’d say there is a lot of Russian Troops maybe just said I am not dying for this



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Russian talking heads saying on TV to save Russian face about the West backing Ukraine. Can you imagine being a Russian soldier in a fox hole hearing that. HE KNOWS from first hand experience they are no match for the west. Not the best for morale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Let's hope so.

    Yes they would be much better going home and overthrowing their crazy dictator if they ever want Russia to start to become part of the civilised world again.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Between some reports of 10K potential POWs in the Kharkiv pocket along with the 30K or so in Kherson that are relatively cut off from retreat Russia potentially could lose a huge chunk of manpower along with massive amounts of equipment and munitions no matter what. Along with the KIA/WIA they have already taken in the 6 months, the Russian options are swiftly narrowing.

    The Ukrainians are going to have to pause at some point, they won't want to pull a Russia and outrun their logistics or run their troops into the ground, there's also the Autumn rain and mud to come soon limiting advancement, but they have still pulled off a hell of a counteroffensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Reports that a Russian missile intended for a target in western Ukraine, crossed into Poland, hitting a small town about 7 kms from the border, killing two Polish people in a grain facility.

    One suspects the Poles will not take this at all lightly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Depends.

    There is no existential threat to Poland from this. You'd suspect the big powers will talk them down from any rash invocation of Article 5.

    Despite the tragic loss of life, I don't think anyone could say that it compares to a Russian mechanised Division rolling over the border.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Some mixed reporting so far on what has happened (as you’d expect), the town where the missile hit is part of a “turn” in the border between Ukraine and Poland, the missile could have been intended to “cut the corner”, also some reports that it might have been a single Russian missile and a Ukrainian S300 interceptor that hit it.

    Doubt it will be Article 5 but some reaction is likely



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Indeed, the issue is the NATO members don’t exactly have a huge surplus of heavy SAMs standing by. How many more systems might be available, or maybe the US could pull the ones going to the Saudis?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Seems Russia is unhappy with us...Still I'm sure Claire and Mick will be able to travel.

    Also it now seems that it's been confirmed that it was a S 300 that came down in Poland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Probably Mary Lou and a few other shinnors are allowed travel as well.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Allowed, I'd be surprised if they didn't have a standing invite...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I see our neighbours are making noise they may send fighter jets to Ukraine. What would they send? The Torandos that they retired a few years ago are they in a storage yard?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Given Germany is exported ly near the point of handcrafting spares for their Tornadoes to keep them operational I would be highly doubtful that the RAF ones could be returned to service in any reasonable time, or that supporting them in combat would be viable. I’d say that was more a PR move than an actual likely prospect, some of the suggested F16 transfers would make much more sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    To be fair, I think Zelenskyy spent his day trying to bounce them into it, but Sunak wasn't really biting.

    The MoD have never been ones to mothball fleet, probably because its so feckin expensive and soggy Britain isn't a good place to do it. Even the early Typhoon trainers have already been scrapped.

    They may have sent some stuff to the Boneyard and I'll bet this month's mortgage payment that anything left of the Harriers went to the Marine Corps, who still operate 90 of them. Likewise, Tornado bits probably went to the Luftwaffe.

    All up, His Majesty's armed forces can just about muster 130 combat aircraft and a few dozen heavy drones between the RAF and Fleet Air Arm. Attack chopper numbers aren't dazzling either.

    So, in the event that NATO does need to join battle with the reds at some point, Britain simply don't have the crates to spare....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    There is a lot more talk on in the UK media this morning that they will supply jets. It will be interesting to see if it happens. The UK even at the moment have no hawks as they are all grounded. Maybe as Dohvelle touched on they could send there Tranche 1 Tyhoons. It would be a good way to for the UK to see how they get on in air to air combat and a good reason to manufactue more aircraft



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeah the Harriers went to the USMC for spares.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I've often read RUSI articles down the years and thought that any Government should consult with them first, before committing to problem child projects like Typhoon and F-35.

    Give me a hundred F-15s and F-16s over a hundred Typhoons and F-35s any day.



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