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New Application Timeframe….. Will Update

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭garrettod


    If it were me, I think I'd be going with the flow, until you hit Day 90. Then I'd be chasing....say 31st March, allowing a few days off over Christmas & New Year's.

    While it's clear that there are problems with the licensing system, someone phoning me and trying to tell me how to do my job, and when to do something, would not be well received.

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Read the attached, from another thread in this forum, paying particular attention to the mentions of 3 months in regard to licences. They can use the 3 months as a deadline to seize your firearm but because many of you adopt a laissez-faire attitude to the 3 months and let them away with their abuse of it, this can cause trouble. The Firearms Act is very clear, the 3 months starts when you hand in a completed application.


    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Day 37 Update.

    Acknowledgement letter received today confirming application and reference number.

    States the 3 months statutory period starts from the day it was received by them, not original lodgement to local station.

    We can argue that later if it gets long winded.

    Officially decision due before 26th April despite being lodged to local station on 24th December.

    But, one thing the FO stated on the phone was that the letter would state this and he had no reason to think it will take that long.

    Anyway, just updating FYI. You



  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    submitted a semi auto renewal on 6th Jan, received the grant letter in post today 31st Jan, so 25 days in total, so well pleased, was asked at front counter how many firearms i had and what was my storage method, i answered and the Garda Sgt. replied fine ill submit this now for you.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Something else isint it.

    What part of the country are you in?

    Im in North Dublin (K Distrct).

    Although I have heard that renewals are significantly quicker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Day 40 Update.

    Just got a call from the FO giving an update that we’re waiting on the forms to come back from the Super. Apologies given as he stated that he usually has them turned around within a week.

    He couldn’t get over the fact that I actually lodged it on 24th December but only arrived to him to review on 26th January.

    Hopefully imminent decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    There are some good FAO's, that do the job properly but are stymied by the system and those that they work with. Your application should have been on his desk within 48/72hrs (allowing for duty schedules) so no excuse for taking a month.

    See, the longer that we accept a sub-standard service (in contravention of the actual written law) the further they are going to push it, till as alluded to, in the Wexford paper case, we do nothing and on day 91 we get arrested, firearms seized, and go to jail. (Remember the frog in the pot of water)

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭BSA International


    Nearly 3 months now on a renewal. Previously 4-5 weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    As per all my posts, give them an inch, they will take a mile and then you will have to play catch up, but then you are the criminal.

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭clivej


    Got a renewal in late December and handed in over Christmas, payment letter in mid January, licence issued last week. Licence renewal date is 8th March. And best of all NO restrictions on this license. Always on the ball here in Kilkenny City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    Well this morning got letter saying they had my renewal application and the 3 month process starts from now,which on the letter is the 4th.So for 22 days the paperwork sat somewhere doing nowt but at least I've plenty of time.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Day 46 Update.

    FO just called to state License had been granted. Should get the forms in the coming days 😃



  • Registered Users Posts: 40 JasonCee


    Congrats :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    I think that's a fairly quick result for yourself,my first application I think took nearer 5 months.Enjoy spending money on bits and pieces that you don't need and another firearm you also don't need but just "fancy" it.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’ve already broke out excell to see where I’m going with this 🤣

    My neighbor has a bet that by this time next year I’ll have another one alright 🤣

    Im going to his club on Saturday as an intro!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭clivej


    I think we all started out with the notion 'sure one firearm is all I'll ever need'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭judestynes


    Dropped a new application into Portlaoise 30th November last, got an email confirming receipt on 2nd December and received nothing since.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Day 51 Update

    Grant Notice Letter and payment request received in post today.

    Promptly paid in the post office on the school run.

    I need the physical license for the RFD to release the firearm.

    Edit. RFD will release firearm on on the grant notification and attached receipt of payment so collecting this weekend.

    Post edited by Gumbo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭judestynes


    Think I'll move to your district. Day 86 for me and I've not even received the official notice that they received my application yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    It's amazing it makes you feel like a child waiting for Christmas morning to see if you got everything you asked for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭JP22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Fabarm12345


    Dropped a pistol application into the Garda station on the 17th of January.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭garrettod


    I think you should call to the station where you made the application, and ask for an update (in a friendly manner), highlighting how long you've been waiting.

    I'd be after reassurance that it hasn't been lost, given the sensitive personal data contained within the application, and also the name of the firearms officer, and the local super. You can then pop a friendly letter to them, asking when you'll receive a decision, given its almost 3 months since you applied.

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭garrettod


    @Gumbo


    Credit where its due, if you exclude the holiday period over Christmas and New Year's, that's a reasonably good turnaround, for a new application.

    Hopefully the beginning of a good and long term relationship, with your local FO, and his/her Super.

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭clivej


    If Im not getting a response within 4 weeks I'd be phoning up the FO. But then I have a very good relationship with my FO and in a good district.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    100%.

    My local station don’t have a FO anymore seemly, so 3 areas of North Dublin go to Blanchardstown. I have his name and number and I’ll give him a courtesy call in a few weeks and ask him for his opinion if I should lodge any future applications directly to blanch as it sat in my local station for a month before he got it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Theirishman


    New first time application lodged on 7/2/23 for rifle & shotgun, grant letter arrived today, 14/2/23.

    Better than the couple of months I was waiting for same when I lived in the UK.

    Fair play to the Guards, Im chuffed.

    Mayo area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Once again this is where it all falls down. Nowhere in the Firearms Act does it allow for festive or holiday periods, to the contrary it specifically states 3 months from lodgment of application. These same 3 months, in renewal terms, are being used by particular districts (Wexford as an example) to attempt to prosecute firearms holders, but what is sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander. If the system and the people using the system are not fit for purpose then we should be looking to change it, by the only avenue available to us i.e. the courts.

    As an anecdote, with Gardai keeping a close eye on this forum, (as can be seen from recent court case), it is very coincidental that because Gumbo broadcast and kept us informed of how he was treated all the way, that lo and behold, everything worked out in the permitted timeframe.

    Judestynes, maybe this is the way to go?

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭judestynes


    I'm very well accustomed to delays. As I have stated here before many times. I haven't had an application or renewal processed in under 6 months and I don't see this one being any different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40 JasonCee


    First of all congrats and that certainly was really quick, youre a lucky lad! Out of curiosity what rifle did you decide on as a new applicant as I am eager to pick a rifle up soon.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Ruger 10/22

    Stainless steel carbine model with 18.5” barrel and synthetic stock.

    There will be less Ruger parts by tomorrow as I have in front of me waiting to be fitted if I get time ;

    Magpul XHunter stock in OD Green.

    Kidd bolt assembly.

    Kidd charging handle.

    Kidd drop in trigger group.

    kidd auto bolt release.

    kidd buffer pin.

    Kidd guide rod and spring kit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭clivej


    That will be a great shooting rifle, the best you can get.

    Aim small and get along to the competitions with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,103 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Intresting little bit in the Irish law Journal on firearms court cases in the DC and costs.

    Be AWARE that costs are at a judge's discretion,not an automatic granting,as whoever it was who took this to the HC found out.It says so quite clearly in the Dist court act of 2013. Costs MAY be awarded.Not will be. https://www.decisis.ie/no-jurisdiction-to-award-costs-in-successful-firearms-appeal-in-the-district-court/?fbclid=IwAR1CToypsyaxxGVzr2oCyPvrnf9GYXjTFb4DnE9hNON2Z7PV2Vv1rBeC2OM

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Day 57 Update.

    To more or less close out this thread.

    Firearms Certificate Card arrived in todays post.

    Has an “S” on it which I assume is the moderator (Silencer).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    It is indeed, enjoy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭clivej


    Aim small, hit hard



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    To reply to myself, renewal grant Letter came this morning so sent in 12th January and received 1st march so that's not too bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    The FO in my area is brilliant. If there's a hold up with an application or a renewal, it's not at his end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Fabarm12345


    Application sent in on the 17 Feb 2023

    Arrived yesterday morning for a pistol

    I was impressed with the time frame

    well done AGS



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭gillamandango


    Based in North Clare so not a busy area. Application dropped in 3 weeks ago today, 1st application but they do know me in there. All the reference calls were made within 2 days but have heard nothing since. Obviously with the calls being made so soon after, I had expectations of the process completing quickly. I have had no contact, emails, phone, etc. Would you leave it another week or what is the general consensus?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,726 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I normally give it a month and then give the FO a shout to make sure it's on their desk at least.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭dalalada


    1st time will take a long time. 3 months



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Once again, falling into the trap.

    BY LAW, cannot take more than 3 months, DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT TAKES 3 MOMTHS.

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    My first one took 51 days. And that included Christmas and new years as I lodged on 24th Dec.



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭gillamandango


    As is always the case, when you mention it; grant letter arrived in the door this morning, 3 weeks turnaround pretty much.



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