Exploitation and young workers

Tell him to leave when he clocks out. Or else insist to be paid for the clean up. Its a good opportunity for your son to learn to speak him for himself, rather than relying on you to do it for him.

If you're hourly, you clock out when you finish work, not when the employer wants you to. There are tens of thousands of hospitality jobs available, they'll find another in a heartbeat.

Time to leave the job.

How does it take 2 hours to clean up?

This is pretty standard in many pubs, but clean-up usual only takes circa 15 minutes and usually rewarded by a drink or two after.

It's very common where I live and I'm in hospitality aswell.

Hospitality are desperate for workers. But then take the proverbial. Agree with the others. Get another job.

It’s unpaid labour…. That ridiculous point as in it being an incentive to get the work done ? Haha… at that hour of the morning in every and any job, people don’t want to be hanging around, stretching work out, they want their home, some food and their bed.

Just leave. Find a job somewhere else and leave. There are lots of jobs for teenagers. Dunnes are struggling to find staff. There’s no need for this. The pu owner is laughing really at your son and his parents who have so little self respect that they will allow their child to work for free. Agree though he has to think for himself, find another job himself or complain to the boss himself.

Cut the apron strings. Your son is 18 he should be dealing with himself:

Clock out and leave. Or stay clocked in until cleaning is finished. (Same thing really).

Hey, are you sure your son isn't clocking out when finished and just staying on socializing??? And, a 4am staff meeting???? Wtf.

The best thing you can do for your son is treat him like the adult he is rather than some stupid child.

Checking his payslips, reading his emails, making complaints on his behalf, you are doing far more damage to him than working late in that bar ever will.

You are massively overstepping the line, give him advice but he needs to sort out his own problems not have some helicopter parent fight his battles.

Anything legal that gets the job done quicker is justifiable, and good business practise.

The company SHOULD be paying for all hours worked. And if they were, then you can guarantee that they would be very sharp about supervising a workforce of youngsters hard, and making sure that not a minute extra is wasted on non-revenue generating work like clean-up.

Be careful what you wish for.

And don't project the attitudes of older people working on boards onto young people who have very different body-clocks.

There's always a certain amount of responsibility that falls on the employees to stand up for themselves. Make sure the WRC are aware of the issue so they can do a spot check after clocking out time. They do night time visits to premises.

It's not. I never said it was. But there can be swings and roundabouts which apply, especially on nights when the cleanup is faster than one hour.

Best thing he can do, if he can, is make note of all the unpaid extra hours. Get a job somewhere else - I don' t know if he'll find one where as handy as ten minutes away. Then report the previous employer, looking for full back pay.

Back pay for him, colleagues and fines for the company might focus their mind on operating within the law in future.

So called 'respectable' business owners who profit from illegally exploiting their workforce really annoys me. They'd be among the first to complain about dishonesty if staff decided to take the value of their unpaid work in stock.

He cannot do anything on his own because, as other posters have said, he will be fired or get zero hours.

He needs to organise his colleagues to all act together. The business cannot replace everyone.

Did the WRC give an indication of when they might do an inspection?

Couldn't agree more and that's coming from a lad who's mother was a bit too nosey. First job it's impossible to know what's acceptable so he needs the input. Get CV out to Dunnes etc right away and have a job lined up, then on next night working just clock out and leave at 3am or don't clock out til the cleaning is done. If manager has a problem then your son will have the confidence he has a job lined up and can laugh at manager if he threatens to fire him in front of others and just quit on the spot. Manager will be desperate coming into the busiest 2 weeks and has a dodgy game to play not to upset a lot of staff. I am Sparticus :)

Those hours are ridiculously unsociable, your son has his Sunday written off by not getting home til 6am. Not worth it for double time let alone no wages!