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Exploitation and young workers

  • 13-12-2022 8:09pm
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Hellrazer

    Looking for a bit of advice with something.

    My young teenager (18) started working while in 3rd level for a well known group of pubs as a lounge person and also serving at the bar.

    Now they work "7 to closing" or " 8 till closing" but Ive noticed a bit of a piss take from the establishment.

    They are all asked to clock out at 3.00 am but then are asked to do "clean up"

    Last weekend for example it was 5.30am when they got home - of course all of this is unpaid. Ive looked back at the last few months payslips and it seems to be a nice little earner for this pub.

    Usually 2 hours clean up x 5 staff members = 10 hours unpaid per night.

    How would I go about reporting this as its seriously getting on my nerves not to mention the illegality of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭ Jim_Hodge

    I'd echo raising it with the owner and leave if it's not sorted. Any chance he's getting the clean up time off the books?

    No shortage of that work available.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭ JustJoe7240

    Worked in hospitality for years, It's not common.

    To the OP: Tell him to find another job.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭ Pauliedragon

    It's very common where I live and I'm in hospitality aswell.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭ Breezy_

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭ Flinty997

    Hospitality are desperate for workers. But then take the proverbial. Agree with the others. Get another job.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,670 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble

    Last orders is at 2am. Pre-close has started before that, properly cleanup starts then, and really gets going at 2:30 once the punters have to leave (a mop bucket with strong bleach is good for encouraging 'em out).

    Finished by 3am is a bit ambitious, but only a little.

    It the staff are paid right til the minute they finish, either the manager has to hound them to get done, or they take the p*ss and take ages for more wages. Paying until a half-way intermediate time gives them an incentive to get done but allows for the fact that they might want to chill for a staff drink before cleaning, to have some craic while doing it or afterwards.

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Hellrazer

    This is a huge place with multiple levels and a big beer garden - theres no way its being cleaned in an hour. Probably why they have this " clean up " time thats not paid - they realise how much it will cost them. It regularly takes the staff at least 1.5 to 2 hours from closing to finish cleaning up.

  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ delboythedub

    when clocked out they are not allowed remain on premises due not being covered by insurance.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭ TooTired123

    Just leave. Find a job somewhere else and leave. There are lots of jobs for teenagers. Dunnes are struggling to find staff. There’s no need for this. The pu owner is laughing really at your son and his parents who have so little self respect that they will allow their child to work for free. Agree though he has to think for himself, find another job himself or complain to the boss himself.

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Hellrazer

    He is going to leave but Id like to make the management aware of what they are up to.

    Already contacted the WRC and you can report this stuff anonymously which Ive done - they are going get an inspection of their time clocks in the next few weeks but it doesnt really help the issue as these will only show that everyone has clocked off at 3.00 am and doesnt show that they worked later cleaning up.

    The insurance angle is another one Im trying to cover - from what I gather the individual isnt covered for an accident while not clocked in.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,512 CMod ✭✭✭✭ amdublin

    Cut the apron strings. Your son is 18 he should be dealing with himself:

    Clock out and leave. Or stay clocked in until cleaning is finished. (Same thing really).

    Hey, are you sure your son isn't clocking out when finished and just staying on socializing??? And, a 4am staff meeting???? Wtf.

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Hellrazer

    Nope hes definitely not socialising and I saw the email regarding the staff meeting at 4.00am.

    Regarding teh staying clocked on until they are finished - the manager makes them clock off at 3.00 am or 2.00 am whatever and then they have to stay and clean while NOT clocked on - thats the biggest issue I have with it.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 8,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Jim2007

    I expect you have discussed all this with your son, so the question is what does he think about all this? At the end of the day it's his life and if he were to loose the job, he may not thank you for your interference even if it is good intentioned. I guess it depends on what you want to get out of this...

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,670 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    Similarly if the manager has to focus on getting the cleanup done as fast as possible, the staff may find that they lose the fun part of the evening and get only an extra 20 minutes pay.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 8,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Jim2007

    I really could not care less about the business and the manager, I be more concerned about the type of relationship I want to have with my son. If you stick you nose in where it is not wanted the kids will soon fix the problem by excluding you and you'll get a filtered version of their live - more filtered that you might expect that is.

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Hellrazer

    The dont get paid for clean up time and are forced to clock off at 3.00 am. Thats the issue - if they were paid for it Id have no problem at all with it or if the option was there to leave at their clock out time but its not. They HAVE to clock off at 3.00am and they HAVE to stay for the clean up - last night he got home at 5.25am , clocked off at 3.00am but not paid from 3.00 to 5.10 am (its a 10 minute walk home)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭ Breezy_


    Don't even explain yourself to some of the crazy thats been posted here.