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Boating chit chat thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Seems like fatigue put him on the rocks




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Hope they're not counting on those solar panels to add to the battery bank?! 🤭




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    thats alot of headsails for a small foredeck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I've been dipping in occasionally to YB to check on Pat Lawless's progress, and pleased to see he's still in 3rd place.

    Tonight I noticed the numbers.... he's doing 4. 1kts at the last ping - and he has just over 24,000nm still to go.

    😱



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Four+ knots actually is not too bad, it’s about 100nm per day. Flat out she should reach just over six knots based on her LWL. Still an awful long way/time. Good luck to him!

    On a separate topic, I see that in Tarragona Eleonora E has been raised – a plate was welded onto the hole (a poor description of the cavity/opening) in her hull. Lifted to the surface by two cranes she was pumped out and towed to a nearby dockyard. The insurers have already declared her a total loss, but the fact that she was not broken up and lifted in sections is an indication that someone might take on a project. Brave buyer, I’d say there are huge lateral compression issues, dodgy bulkheads, etc..Would be lovely to see her under sail again.

    No full collision investigation seems to have taken place (in public!) but it was announced that it was the result of an ‘accident’, and I’ve seen nothing official published. (Spain is unlikely to publish a report on one of its own vessels!)



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Sailor who broke solo Arctic record ‘spent cosy nights in a hotel’

    Yvan Bourgnon crossed the Northwest Passage on his catamaran in 2017


    When the Franco-Swiss adventurer Yvan Bourgnon arrived in Greenland after crossing the Arctic Ocean he was lauded as a hero.

    His tales of defying the cold, fighting off a polar bear and finding a path through the ice to become the first person to sail solo along the Northwest Passage without assistance dominated the media.

    Next week, Bourgnon, 51, will be dragged before a Paris court in a case featuring claims that the 71-day crossing in 2017 was not quite as breathtaking as it seemed. The court will hear allegations that the adventurer spent more than a week in a hotel in the Canadian Arctic, received help from other seafarers and was towed by a Dutch motorboat for 90-odd miles.


    Yvan Bourgnon says he did not claim to have entered the record books with his voyage

    The claims will be aired in a dispute over video filmed for a documentary. The film director Pierre Guyot, 51, had equipped Bourgnon’s yacht, Ma Louloute, with six cameras.

    But when he arrived in Nuuk, Greenland, in September 2017, the pair fell out. Lawyers for Guyot and for 10.7, the production company, are expected to tell the court that the footage failed to live up to Bourgnon’s death-defying descriptions. There were no images of the polar bear that he said climbed on board before fleeing when he fired his gun, or of his crossing of the iceberg-filled Bellot Strait.

    Bourgnon claims his critics are nit-picking and says he never claimed to have won a place in the record books by being the first person to sail solo through it, only to have accomplished a “feat”.

    “I slept in a hotel. So what?” he told Le Figaro. “Should I have abandoned [the adventure]?”

    Robert Headland of the Scott Polar Research Institute at Cambridge University, removed the voyage from its official list of Northwest Passage transits after finding that for much of the trip Bourgnon “was not aboard his catamaran My Louloutte which was in tow, and otherwise assisted by other vessels.”

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sailor-who-broke-solo-arctic-record-spent-cosy-nights-in-a-hotel-pqh5lnzdk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Pat Lawless on board video from start of GGR




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Great boat for sale at the moment in DL.

    I have sailed many hundreds of hours and miles on her over the years, and the current owner has done heaps of work and upgrading since he bought, and raced in Dublin Bay and ISORA.

    Just in case there's anyone out there toying with the idea of a cruiser/racer, it's a great boat for both!

    (Hope it's OK to post this here, feel free to delete if inappropriate!)



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    One very lucky sailor to be rescued so far out in the Atlantic. Boat looks a bit "special"?

    HM Coastguard was involved in the rescue of a sailor from the Atlantic Ocean over the weekend, after his yacht lost its mast in stormy conditions. The Coastguard’s Joint Rescue Coordination Centre (JRCC) received two distress beacon alerts from the yacht 700-miles west of Ireland Friday evening (14 October). The vessel had extensive damage and was drifting in very poor weather conditions. Thanks to the two beacons onboard however, the Coastguard was able to locate the yacht and begin the search and rescue. A request was made to the RAF to deploy two aircraft, which identified the stricken yacht using coordinates provided by the JRCC, at around 8.20am Saturday. At the scene, the aircraft provided communications with the vessel. At the same time HM Coastguard was broadcasting to all shipping within 300-miles and three vessels responded, altering their courses to intercept the yacht. After four unsuccessful attempts by another merchant vessel overnight, the survivor, an American national and experienced sailor, was rescued just after 6.30am on Sunday (16 October) by motor tanker Amax Anthem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    What do you mean by "special"?

    Looks like a centre-cockpit, solid enough boat to me...... minus a solid enough mast, mind you!

    (apologies if there's something blindingly obvious I'm missing here!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭Tow


    Looked normal enough to me. The only issue I see is the mast should have been cut a way, if it cannot be retrieved. The mast can damage the hull if left banging over the side. Not sure why the life raft was launched, unless they though it was safer to transfer from it to the helicopter.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Not your standard BenJenBav design, which is fine, but very large pilothouse windows, none of the usual equipment you see on a transatlantic cruiser. Unusual stem post and transom more like a motorboat than a bluewater cruiser. She just looks a bit, special.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭Tow


    The life raft was dropped by the RAF.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Route de Rhum start tomorrow been postponed till Tuesday or Wednesday due to weather





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi



    Looks like Pat Lawless may be out of the GGR, seems like a wind vane bearing is gone and can't be replaced.

    What a shame if this turns out to be the case, he was doing brilliantly.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Terribly sad for him if he does have to pull in!!! but yeah, you would not want to be going into the Southern Ocean with broken or jury rigged parts!!!!! especially on the steering vane!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    he can pull in and do repairs and continue in the "Chichester" class and at least get around with the 1 stop. Pain in the ass after all the prep etc but agree you do not want to be going near the southern ocean with broken bits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    So my dream of becoming the first solo non stop circumnavigating Irishman lives for another few years...... :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Could probably be the 1st to do it a First285 while your at it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    What did they use first time round, I wonder?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Sounds like a very..... eventful.... start to the Route du Rhum!


    Injury on the start line, race abandoned due to tech issues and ill health, crash with a cargo ship, broken daggerboard, waves of fronts hammering the boats - it's all happening out there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Well, this sounds fully legit..... 😳


    RTE news : Sailors rescued after yacht washes ashore on Achill





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Route de Rhums becoming a bit of a demolition derby. Collision with a container ship, broken masts and a capsize along with broken foils

    *damaged imoca 60 heading to Portugal this morning (monday) had an explosion and then went on fire. The skipper had to abandon ship and get rescued by a cargo shop

    Post edited by neris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    So somewhere off the west coast, there's a couple of tons of Colombian marching powder floating around waiting to be hooked in fishing nets.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Indeed, I expect the level of beachcombing on the NW coast to rocket for the next few weeks/months!

    Even if you were promised millions, what would possess you to take on the Atlantic in winter, with no nav equipment, and seemingly no comms either. Never mind the no passports!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Achill Beach




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Daibheid


    Anyone watch Pat Lawless arrival and interview here? https://youtu.be/eTC5YuggfP4

    Bit of a clusterduck by the interviewers getting their act together and a lot of repetitive "good to see you" and "it's over". But to his enormous credit he was very calm and collected. He'd clearly come to terms with it ending in the five days he'd spent initially trying to fix it and then sailing in without the self steering.

    I was surprised to hear his Aries pendulum system was nearly as old as the boat and had not had all bearings replaced. At that age, I'd be replacing the entire system for a circumnavigation for fear of fatigue cracking or invisible corrosion. Plus I'd have gone for the hydrovane because there's A) a lot less complexity/moving parts and B) being independent of the main rudder it offers a fall back steering system.

    Incidentally Pat's approach into the marina was a bit hard to understand to say the least! Fatigue or night blindness from media lights?

    He did us proud and I hope he tries again as he put a great package together and would probably do even better in heavier conditions overall like they got in 2018.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Jaysus 😮

    ETA - from a GGR facebook post

    UPDATE : TAPIO DISTRESS.... Tapio is communicating with the YB3 Tracker-Texting device from the life raft..The YB3 tracker is giving positions with the EPIRB and PLB. He has no Glasses, so hard to read and send messages. He has the GRAB BAG. He is in his survival Suit. Asterias went down stern first in 5 minutes. Press release shortly with more information. #GGR2022

    You'd be doing well to get yourself into a survival suit, grab the grab bag, get at liferaft, launch and board liferaft, all within 5 minutes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    GGR is turning into a bit of a cluster f***



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Daibheid


    I'm sure that took longer than five minutes to try to find and deal with the source and have to assess it as beyond saving, activate the Epirb, suit up and abandon ship. Could easily have been twenty minutes but would have passed in a flash with the adrenaline and stress.

    Even though it went down stern first, the water could have come from anywhere but the speed I'd venture brand a through bill fitting failed. The head, engine intake, shaft seal or rudder bearing. He's very lucky the incident didn't occur in heavy weather or he'd have had no chance with the boat likely swamping or rolling with little warning with all that water moving the CoG about.

    The rescue contingency planning was as good as you could hope for -to the organisers credit👍



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Daibheid


    Sounds like the boat was already well on its way to sinking when he heard the bang rather than that was the start of ingress. That bang was very likely a hatch or compartment cover getting blown off by water pressure as it came in. The speed at which it filled from when he got moving suggests something more than a through hull fitting, like the hull integrity itself was compromised.

    He was very lucky and also made some very good decisions under pressure, e.g. not going back below deck for additional grab bags believing he'd be picked up quickly.

    I was a bit shocked that Kirsten wasn't carrying a survival suit. Clearly not mandatory - probably because they're so bulky but......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    So many experts there it's worse than a post-match discussion! What seems clear is that lots of 'stuff' is not replaced or upgraded or (apparently) properly tested before setting off onbevents like this. I know it costs, the people are on a tight budget, begging sponsorship but to expect to go that far on old gear is staggering!

    On a more positive note, SY Eleanora (the classic yacht rammed & sunk in Tarragona) has been bought by a work colleague of the former owner (Zak) and is being brought to the Netherlands for a comprehensive structural repair and full refit. New owner is from Glencore, so has deep pockets and it will be great to see her afloat again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Daibheid


    More info about Tapio Lehtinen: Lessons from my Golden Globe Rescue

    He offers some real food for thought about durability and maintenance of key survival items. He also speculates on what might have caused the sudden loss and a good summary/analysis of his prioritization when abandoning. Well worth a read.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    If anyone is looking for some nautical themed candle holders, Penny’s have these winter candles in stock again…

    I picked up a set about 2 years ago and when the candle was finished, I cleaned them out and they made great tea light holders…

    When I got the first set they were clearance at €1 each, but I picked up another set last week and had to pay the outrageous sum of €2.50 per candle!!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Agreed, it is a very good read and with very practical advice/comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Sydney Hobart mickey swinging contest started over night. Short vid and full 90 minute start vid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Only just found this and their race is nearly over. Livestream from on board the super maxi Law Connect.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭Tow


    Or a big bill for its disposal!

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    I don’t get it. OK, so I don’t know the weather/sea conditions at the time of the ‘bump’, but the crew was taken off soon after and a crewless yacht made landfall 80nm away a week later, the weather was not that bad. She was not taking on water or in danger of sinking. Agreed, your rudder falling off is on the nasty end of the scale, but it doesn’t mean you cannot steer safely in open waters.

    So what has happened to seamanship, e.g. setting up a jury-rigged rudder? Has sailing now come to an ability to sail a boat fast, tactically, and nothing else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Well, the in-port race for the start of the Ocean Race was the most boring telly I've seen in quite some time!

    They only showed the IMOCA race, but I believe the VO 65s were even worse, only one finished.

    Sailing is a terrible spectator sport at the best of times - this will have done nothing for its reputation!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭Tow


    It looks that way. You often hear of yachts being found after being abandoned in a storm.

    Just pottering around Dublin Bay we practiced sailing without using the rudder.

    That modern hull design with a slim keel and no skeg is not the most stable. Rig a temporary rudder or whack on the engine and drag a rope with an item tied on the end.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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