F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

Binotto seems to have fallen foul of the Peter Principle. Ferrari did well to develop the joint fastest car this season, but their race management is beyond a joke.

On the second part about punishing a driver retrospectively. Absolutely not. There's neither the will or precedent to trawl up the past and meddle in long finished races. How would they prove it anyway and what would the punishment be?

Yeah. Not even on the agenda.

Ah, I don't have a clue if Perez did it or not. How could I possibly know? But its being reported that Max thinks he did it and that's why he wouldn't help him on Sunday. Nothing wrong with commenting on the reports.

Bad move by Ferrari imo but sure what's new about that? They need a new strategy team not a new team principle, Binotto was a technical whizz by all accounts and had a good relationship with both drivers.

This is an analysis of the laps he did in Q3 at Monaco. It is up to yourselves if he crashed on purpose or not.

The telemetry is one thing and as ever won’t say whether the driver meant it or not. I still find the situation so illogical.

-Perez, a very reliable team player, deciding to make a stand while locking in a Ferrari 1-2 and risk his car while he’s at it

-Max waiting for payback for 5 months to deny Perez 6th place and harm relations

-An incident from 5 months ago now getting scrutinized as if no one cared at the time

I’d like to think there’s more to it as it’s all a bit pathetic. A bit of disharmony in RB will do no harm to the 2023 title with Mercedes’ trajectory.

They've had the biggest budget other than Mercedes for years, and they had a completely free run at the new regulations, sacrificing their last couple of seasons to focus on this year's car while the other top teams were fighting tooth and nail for the championship.

Developing the joint fastest car this season really ought to have been a bare minimum expectation. I personally had them pegged as favourites long before pre-season testing kicked in.

But to have had that car and to be in a position where they might not even secure second in the WCC is disastrous. Binotto should have gone a couple of years ago - in reality he should never have been promoted into a position that's way out of his expertise and out of his depth to begin with. They were on a better trajectory under Arrivabene, they really stalled out and went backwards under Binotto and only the opportunity presented by the new rules this year allowed them to get back into a competitive position, one that they've then squandered badly.

I've always had a positive impression of Frederic Vasseur, he's done well at Sauber and was hugely successful in GP2 so I could see him move the team forward, though it's certainly a risk as he's never been in a position with anything like the level of pressure and expectation of Ferrari.

It wasnt some agreement talked about before this race, Max said on the radio he had already talked to them about it in the Summer so it's obviously something more substantial

What’s great about that view(if accurate) is seeing Hamilton is basically doing all of the reacting to try and move Verstappen. Verstappen looks like he has picked his line and he’s confident that the corner is his.

What you can’t judge though is the reason the stewards penalised Max, which was the speed he was carrying into the corner.

It’s a strange one that looks one way, could be the other.

Hmmm not sure about that, something looked unlikely to be successful therefor it was clear it wouldnt have been successful?

Unless he actually understeers through space left by hamilton I don't think stewards can confidently apply a penalty. Bit of an exaggerated example but similar to when someone locks up trying to go down the inside and instead goes straight on and into the car on the outside.

Exactly what bugs me too. I don't know how you can penalise based on something that would likely have happened, if this other thing had not happened. The fact is, that reality never played out.

Either way, doesn't matter now.

Really. I think it was Hamiltons fault. He closes in on Max and does not give Max enough room at the corner and that's why Max hits the side of Hamilton. Max done nothing wrong.