F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119805938#Comment_119805938

Take a look at the full statement. 0.37% is the right final figure as per the FIA. Arguing 1.6% is basically saying I’m including one part they done wrong but not the other.

Your argument makes no sense in any case. The concept of applying a flat fine for every overspend between 0-5% based on this is flawed.

McFly85

The punishment definitely feels lenient but predictably so. As others have said the crucial element is the fact that there was no attempt at deception from RB. I’m still surprised they haven’t reduced the RB cap for a year or 2.

Im sure the Sky coverage now will be purely about how lenient the FIA have been.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119806242#Comment_119806242

Taken directly from the BBC article

"This amounts to an understatement of accounts of nearly 5% and an adjusted overspend of 1.6%.

A total of 13 points of non-compliance included an understatement related to their new power-unit business and fixed costs, and costs relevant to catering, social security, apprenticeships, inventory (unused parts) and non-F1 activities.

The fine has to be paid within the next 30 days.

The FIA said that had Red Bull applied the correct treatment to a notional tax credit, the team would have exceeded the cap by only £432,652."

So 1.6% was the overspend. If RB had correctly applied the tax credit then it would have been 0.37% but they didn't, so they weren't.

I'm in no way suggesting a flat fine would be applied. My argument is that when more severe punishments are handed out in the future and it goes through the courts there's a good precedent to have it overturned unless there are extenuating circumstances.

McFly85

Well it sounds like the FIA consider the breach in real terms to be the 0.37%. Which I don’t think has any real relevance on future breaches unless they’re all due to misapplied tax credits.

If there was a 2% breach in future that was found to be hidden from the FIA and there was an attempt to hide it then you’d imagine the punishment would be far more severe. There’s no real point in looking at this breach and what it means for the future.

Ultimate Gowlbag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119806065#Comment_119806065

😂😂😂

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119806305#Comment_119806305

You can choose to be as pedantic as you wish on the wording but the fact is the FIA summarized that the net effect of all the accounting understatements was 0.37% over the budget cap. That was the basis for the fine.

A strong precedence based off this doesn’t make much sense unless you’re talking about lower breaches getting more harshly punished which wasn’t really implied from your earlier posts on about anything less than 5%, etc. The materiality has been identified and mitigating factors are there.

AMKC

How is 2010 the standout? 2007 is there standout for me they were 2nd in the constructors that year.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119806764#Comment_119806764

Look at the team name and look at the engine...

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119806065#Comment_119806065

I'm relieved that intellectually we have arrived at using terms like "manbaby". Does this show us the mentality of your average RB apologist?

flazio

I think this is where I step away from Formula 1 fandom until next March

Munstersrebel

I use man baby because his ego needs to be very carefully managed. Russel outshone him first half of the season and not one peep from Merc. Its always LH, with the porposing he acted like he couldnt walk straight...

If you want to call me anything... call me a saddened Vettel fan. the lad wasted his best years on Ferrari and Aston.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119807648#Comment_119807648

Vettel spent his best years very well at red bull. Until he was beaten by a young Ricciardo and left. Then he was pretty good for a year and a half at Ferrari until it fell apart in mid 2018 and he added a lot of spins and crashes to his performances. Then he was comprehensively beaten by a young Charles Leclerc. He's nowhere near his best at Aston Martin and he's never really shaken his tenancy for spins and crashes.

He's dead right to retire. But the notion that he's been at his best at AM, is bonkers.

El_Duderino 09

There's a good analysis of thr cost cap agreement between RB and the FIA on The-Race podcast.

There are a few parts which look like sloppy accounting but the catering looks dodgy.

They also misinterpreted the sick leave rules. Rules say they have to count the original sick staff members' pay when they're sick, but don't count the replacement's wage (unless the original sick staff member dies and is permanently replaced. In that case they count the replacement and not the original staff member) this was it prevents them subbing in people with specialist skills at different times in the season. RB made a balls of that.

But overall the point is that by doing the agreement they accept a less severe punishment than if they didn't admit to it. That's wwhy the punishment is less severe than some would have liked. That's the whole point of the agreement rather than fighting it out.

[The Race F1 Podcast] What Red Bull's cost cap breach penalty means for F1 #theRaceF1Podcast 

https://podcastaddict.com/episode/147568019 via @PodcastAddict

Munstersrebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119807790#Comment_119807790

Eum i kinda said he wasted years in AM and Ferrari. And look where Dani the magnificent is now? Dropped by McLaren coz he is languishing in the McLaren

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119807870#Comment_119807870

What's your point about Ricciardo? He beat Vettel and turned out to go downhill? It can happen to drivers. It certainly happened to Vettel.

You said Vettel wastes his best years at Ferrari and AM. But he went downhill rapidly from mid 2018 and never recovered. He didn't waste his best years at Ferrari and AM Because he wasn't near his best at either team.

Cool_CM

If anybody held off getting the Lego Technic McLaren, it's down to €139 in Smyths at the moment (€200 on the Lego site). There's an extra tenner off too until Tuesday because they have a lego sale on:

https://www.smythstoys.com/ie/en-ie/toys/lego-and-bricks/lego-technic/lego-42141-technic-mclaren-formula-1-2022-race-car-model-set-for-adults/p/204041

Jordan 199

Lego Technic is brilliant.

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808849#Comment_119808849

Thanks very much… that’s gone right into the young fellas stocking 👍🏼

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809027#Comment_119809027

We believe ya 🤪

PsychoPete

There's up 50% off on the F1 store if anyone is after some merch. Seems to only 33% on the 2022 merchandise still a nice saving

ctrl-alt-delete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809332#Comment_119809332

I use that one too, I always say the young lad will be delighted with that as I pay for lego.

What I mean is the young lad in me.

Munstersrebel

Dude believe what you believe

Danny ric had a few decent seasons and then was upstaged left and well now he is bowing out. Simples

Seb lost his confidence due to the nonsense in Ferrari look at Leclerc...

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809641#Comment_119809641

Yeah. Both drivers were once very good then they lost it and aren't good anymore. They're both leaving the sport next year, which adds to the symmetry

BikeRacer

Off topic, but this is Ferraris WEC car for next year. Wow.

https://twitter.com/FerrariHypercar/status/1586452110136250373

NinjaTruncs

https://racingnews365.com/verstappen-boycotting-sky-sports-in-mexico

Interesting if true, I wonder will Horner be less accomodating to Sky if Max keeps up a boycott.

I thought it was a bit much from Ted when he said it at the time. But my thinking is that he was trying to build on the drama of Brad Pitt being about, but perhaps it was his true feelings.

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811228#Comment_119811228

He done an interview yesterday with Sky after quali so it strikes me as odd if he’s boycotting now because of something said a week ago?!?

NinjaTruncs

I guess more clickbait so, I didn't see much of qualifying yesterday.

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811244#Comment_119811244

Did he do it with a sky reporter or did sky just air it?

-ah the post quali with culthard

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811517#Comment_119811517

And in the media pen also, with a Sky mic in front of him.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811661#Comment_119811661

He's probably contractually obligated for that. I'm guessing it's the likes of the review of the pole lap, chatting on pitlane or on grid, things like that.

You'd kind of hope that sky would give it a rest, at least one of them must have mentioned Abu Dhabi nearly every race...