New regulations new season....
Can redbull keep up the pace
Another Frenchman becoming team principal at Ferrari. Will he bring interesting to see if he will be successful like the last Frenchman who was in charge.
Binotto seems to have fallen foul of the Peter Principle. Ferrari did well to develop the joint fastest car this season, but their race management is beyond a joke.
Ferrari are denying the news, so it is probably true.
On the second part about punishing a driver retrospectively. Absolutely not. There's neither the will or precedent to trawl up the past and meddle in long finished races. How would they prove it anyway and what would the punishment be?
And how far back do you go
Yeah. Not even on the agenda.
Saying Checo crashed deliberately is another classic line from the Max Verstappen fanbook. It's like when they said Red Bull only went over budget because of catering. It's all deflection from the facts, that Max was a d1ck on Sunday.
Ah, I don't have a clue if Perez did it or not. How could I possibly know? But its being reported that Max thinks he did it and that's why he wouldn't help him on Sunday. Nothing wrong with commenting on the reports.
If Max has evidence of Perez cheating then he should present the facts or he should just get on with it.
Bad move by Ferrari imo but sure what's new about that? They need a new strategy team not a new team principle, Binotto was a technical whizz by all accounts and had a good relationship with both drivers.
Max hasn't said publicly he thinks perez did it no purpose. He doesn't have to prove anything. He is getting on with it, as you suggested.
Some media is reporting that he thinks it.
This is an analysis of the laps he did in Q3 at Monaco. It is up to yourselves if he crashed on purpose or not.
I think he’s been given a fair chance with 4 years. Given Ferrari’s resources, I don’t think you can say they’ve achieved much in that time.
This year they had a chance with the reset and were in the fight early season but fell off badly. Being beaten by the Red Bull is fine but possibly losing second to Mercedes after the start is a bit of a collapse.
Team as a whole could do with being more ruthless and decisive so I think if it is his time to go or be demoted, it might be for the best.
The telemetry is one thing and as ever won’t say whether the driver meant it or not. I still find the situation so illogical.
-Perez, a very reliable team player, deciding to make a stand while locking in a Ferrari 1-2 and risk his car while he’s at it
-Max waiting for payback for 5 months to deny Perez 6th place and harm relations
-An incident from 5 months ago now getting scrutinized as if no one cared at the time
I’d like to think there’s more to it as it’s all a bit pathetic. A bit of disharmony in RB will do no harm to the 2023 title with Mercedes’ trajectory.
Who knows? Max hasn't actually said why he did it. It could be payback for a real or imagined insult, or he might see himself as the main man and above giving up a place for another driver. We'll probably never know for sure unless Max tells us.
They've had the biggest budget other than Mercedes for years, and they had a completely free run at the new regulations, sacrificing their last couple of seasons to focus on this year's car while the other top teams were fighting tooth and nail for the championship.
Developing the joint fastest car this season really ought to have been a bare minimum expectation. I personally had them pegged as favourites long before pre-season testing kicked in.
But to have had that car and to be in a position where they might not even secure second in the WCC is disastrous. Binotto should have gone a couple of years ago - in reality he should never have been promoted into a position that's way out of his expertise and out of his depth to begin with. They were on a better trajectory under Arrivabene, they really stalled out and went backwards under Binotto and only the opportunity presented by the new rules this year allowed them to get back into a competitive position, one that they've then squandered badly.
I've always had a positive impression of Frederic Vasseur, he's done well at Sauber and was hugely successful in GP2 so I could see him move the team forward, though it's certainly a risk as he's never been in a position with anything like the level of pressure and expectation of Ferrari.
Yeah there is zero chance that was intentional, it risked damaging the gearbox and only served to help out Ferrari more than anything else, there was just no reasonable motive for it. It does seem like something that's just been stirred up by the media without any basis whatsoever, Verstappen hasn't mentioned it at all and he was clearly really happy for Perez at the time and there hasn't been the slightest hint of any suspicion in the months since. Whatever was discussed prior to Brazil about whether or not they would resort to team orders, I'd be pretty certain it wasn't this.
If I were to guess I could see it being something much more mundane like a pre-race agreement that they wouldn't use orders because Verstappen is still aiming to tumble records for the most successful ever single season (something that will be remembered long after whoever finished second), and Max took that to heart while the team figured it didn't apply when down in sixth.
It's all a massive mountain out of a molehill of course. Perez and Leclerc both could have gained points in the fight for P2 if their teammates who were both faster on the day and directly ahead donated a position to them, but both were denied which is ultimately fairer all round. Red Bull should have shown the good sense that Ferrari did in making the decision not to use unnecessary team orders themselves rather than placing the burden on the driver.
It wasnt some agreement talked about before this race, Max said on the radio he had already talked to them about it in the Summer so it's obviously something more substantial
If thats accurate then no way a penalty should be given to anyone
What’s great about that view(if accurate) is seeing Hamilton is basically doing all of the reacting to try and move Verstappen. Verstappen looks like he has picked his line and he’s confident that the corner is his.
What you can’t judge though is the reason the stewards penalised Max, which was the speed he was carrying into the corner.
It’s a strange one that looks one way, could be the other.
The onboard footage looked like Max was really unlikely to be able to maintain that line through the corner. I thought it was clear he was going to understeer into the road and I thought that's part of the reason he got the penalty
Hmmm not sure about that, something looked unlikely to be successful therefor it was clear it wouldnt have been successful?
Unless he actually understeers through space left by hamilton I don't think stewards can confidently apply a penalty. Bit of an exaggerated example but similar to when someone locks up trying to go down the inside and instead goes straight on and into the car on the outside.
Jesus looking at some of the replies on twitter to that video, really shows the denigration that's come into the sport
Think the stewards got it just about right at the time. He knew the door was being closed but decided to leave the right foot down anyway. He had a previous incident with Ocon at this exact corner and Ocon got a penalty as well.
Think Brundle called it perfectly. IMO it's racing incident.
Exactly what bugs me too. I don't know how you can penalise based on something that would likely have happened, if this other thing had not happened. The fact is, that reality never played out.
Either way, doesn't matter now.
So he's saying he crashed into Hamilton on purpose? Because that's how it reads to me. He knew Hamilton was going to make the corner ahead of him and just decided to crash into him.
Either way, between that and the Checo stuff, not a good weekend PR wise for Max. I doubt he cares, he's still an incredible racing driver and a worthy champion but some of his quotes are just outright baffling.
Wouldn't have really argued with that outcome either during the race. It appears the stewards were at least consistent this time round though and previous comments seem to justify their decision.
Reads to me like he knew it would hurt Lewis more than him so just left his car in there. Don't think he crashed into him on purpose, more that he didn't avoid a collision when he could have.
Really. I think it was Hamiltons fault. He closes in on Max and does not give Max enough room at the corner and that's why Max hits the side of Hamilton. Max done nothing wrong.
