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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Been traveling between Hamburg, Hanover and Berlin all week with work.

    FFP2 masks worn on public transport. Nothing elsewhere, weird



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    What's weird?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭VG31


    Spain and Italy look set to end mandatory mask wearing on public transport soon.

    That leaves Germany, Greece, Cyprus and the state of Vienna as the last mask holdouts in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    Was in Greece well the Greek islands a few weeks ago. Far more mask wearing on Irish public transport than in Greece as in thankfully very little in Ireland and practically zero in Greece. It’s being ignored completely if it’s mandatory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭grizzly_beer


    I live in a remote spot in the country, I work from home, I must be one of lowest risk people in Ireland for getting Covid.

    I went to some concerts in Dublin recently though, I thought, thousands of people tightly packed in an indoor space? Definitely mask up, so I wore a FFP2 mask, however I was the only person wearing one out of thousands.

    I know vaguely that the data supports everyone wearing masks, but is there any data / studies about my situation? Wearing a mask in a room of people not wearing masks? I want to know how much of a difference it makes for me. If it's not at all effective I could just not attend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Covid is so last year.

    Get vaccinated and you’ll be grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    If you're the infected one, it's effective in minimizing spread to everyone else...



  • Registered Users Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Space Dog


    If it's a well fitting FFP2/N95 mask you should have some protection. If it's any other mask probably not.

    Purely anecdotal: I was at a comedy gig with my partner and a friend. No one except for me was wearing a mask. I sat between my OH and my friend. They both had Covid a few days later. I got it from my partner a bit later though, so it did get me eventually 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    This study by Max Plancke Institute is regarded as pretty good.

    Ffp2 masks apparently filter 94% of molecules down to 0.075 micrometres in size! That would be impressive if we could even visualize something that size but it is a lot less than the smallest estimated aerosol particle of Covid 19 generated https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7579175/

    But I don't know what the current data is on effectiveness of one person wearing a mask among a crowd of a few thousand not wearing anything and singing and shouting at the top of their voices . I would imagine it is some protection as the masks last for 20 hours.

    I do know from myself and other family members who have high risk conditions and are immunocompromised ( one very ) , that once we were vaccinated and boosted , we just got on with it . And that was multiple concerts, two festivals but only one indoors . And no masks .

    None of us caught anything except a cold , but not Covid .

    I would still wear a Ffp2 in healthcare settings but not otherwise anymore. Unless things change and the infection levels start to rise .

    I think most healthy people who have immunity from infection and vaccination should be ok with Covid as it is now, but if you really don't want to catch it , wear the mask and avoid indoor crowded areas .

    I take it you were ok after the concerts ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    It really highlighted the lack of critical thinking and common sense in the herd view on a topic. It really was a case of having to go digging for a COVID test in order to find out whether you had it but if you didn't know you had COVID, in the vast, vast majority of cases, you would've just put it down to a bad dose and not worry too much. It's a bit disturbing how .any people for some reason decided they just didn't want to catch COVID at all as if it was someone pit luck whether they would get seriously ill or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭grizzly_beer


    Yeah I was fine after them, I have gone to a few in past few months.. I just have avoided getting Covid so far, my chances of getting it 99% of the time are nearly zero, but at these gigs obviously much higher. I just dont wanna get it cus the longterm side-effects from it are still a mystery. Eg. there have been studies surfacing in the past few months indicating a mild form of brain damage in people who had it, and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think your argument jumped the shark the moment you trotted out tropes like common sense and herd thinking.

    You didn't know how severe a dose you would be hit with, or who you might pass it on to. Or whether you have covid or just a cold or flu.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've had it 3 times now so I think I know. Impossible to avoid



  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    Statistically, under the age of 50 you were practically guaranteed to not end up in hospital unless you had some underlying condition. This is without vaccines as well.

    To say otherwise is just blatant ignorance and hysteria. I'm just glad the whole affair is over and the masses have moved on to far more pressing issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Oh look, there's the nonsense word 'hysteria' trotted out again rather than responding to the points I made. We also had a 'herd mentality' in there earlier. It's like bingo.

    This is what I wrote:

    You didn't know how severe a dose you would be hit with, or who you might pass it on to. Or whether you have covid or just a cold or flu.

    So what about everyone over 50? Or with a condition? Or a close contact of someone like that? What % of the population you think that gets us up to?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Earlier this year, I read in an article in a newspaper that a parent who happens to be a health professional said that, in relation to the Covid mask rule in classrooms, the child in primary school had been threatened by the teacher with detention and reference to the risk of the grandparents catching coronavirus (emotional blackmail, in my opinion) due to the pupil not wearing the mask properly due to difficulty with wearing it. On the other hand, in a social media comment regarding that article, a different parent said that his or her child in a different school and others were excused from the mask rule and that classmates who were wearing masks minded their own business and that the teacher intervened if a problem arose.

    Obviously, it's not OK for a teacher to throw a duster at a pupil (A well-known teacher did that some years ago but he visited the pupil and the parents and apologised). So why should it be OK for the teacher in the first case that I mentioned to be threatening and emotionally blackmailing towards a pupil?

    Did managers and teachers in primary and secondary schools had discretion over enforcement of the mask rule. Regarding the first child, I don't know whether mediation was implemented or whether the teacher apologised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The teacher did what exactly? What else do you think a teacher might threaten detention to a pupil about?

    In my old school you got detention for the wrong shoes!

    The teacher mentioned family member as much to stress the reason why the masks was needed as any sort of 'emotional blackmail'.

    Non story.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    But pupil-teacher boundaries mean that teachers are not supposed to make comments in relation to pupils' families. In most families where grandparents are still alive, the grandparents live separately from the rest of the family. Parents were able to ensure that vulnerable relatives didn't catch the virus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Lol, thats me definitely gone so!

    Good for you and would be keen to avoid if I were you. As long as you are happy and living your life.

    Lots of multiple effects on various systems in the body not just the brain, cardiac , neurological, renal, immune issues , not to mention inflammatory conditions like diabetes triggered.

    Having said that, they have been finding these less triggered by Omicron.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Your argument stinks of 'I'll be alright", too self centered to look beyond your own needs.

    What do your statistics say about those over 50? What percentage of them are likely to end up in hospital? Now what happens if that percentage all need to be hospitalized at the same time? Statistically the health service would be fsked, and people would be un-necessarily dying of a lot more than just covid.

    You should really keep your 'ignorance and hysteria' notions to yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    It's simple, anytime someone manage to put together post containing magic words hysteria, ignorance, multiple repeats of word vast (seems to be needed, one vast is not sufficient), of course do not forget to mention "statistically" and some jump in even with "I had it three times" argument and you have a cocktail of wisdom.

    But masses moved on.....😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Can you throw out some of those statistics you are talking about there , Jimmy , about the hospitalisations in different age groups before Omicron came along , for the sake of the poor ignorant and hysterical of us here ?

    I am sure it would be most edifying .



  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    Sure, it is in the HPSC data hub and this graph would apply to the 223,000 official cases (actual cases March 2020-March 2021 likely to be multiples higher in Ireland) before vaccines were rolled out.

    Categorically, definitively and expressly I will once again state that it is false and incorrect to claim that anyone under 50 is at serious risk from COVID even without vaccines. In fact, I would go further and say no one under 50 other than a tiny minority should have gotten vaccinated as statistically it would've made no difference to the health service ability to manage resources in their COVID fight.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ah he..er ...what's that ?

    Where's the full page link and context, Jimmy?

    Although I give you a mark for trying !

    Now if you can highlight the appropriate part and reference it .....

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    All the bedwetters delighted with the news that masking coming back ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    The government is a pretty much saying the opposite it's rte twisting the story

    Limited implementation if necessary



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    No mention of shops this time around just public transport and health



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  • Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭glitterIsland


    What's the point of a mask mandate in certain places once more when a lot of people won't even wear a mask properly or they take off a mask to cough and sneeze all over the place defeating the purpose of a mask.

    Everyone has to do it properly or don't bother at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ive never seen anyone take a mask off to cough or sneeze, and even if some randomer does, the number of people not doing it will reduce the crap going out for rest of us to breathe in.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    Specifically here;

    From this link;


    My base argument is that under 50s were never at a big risk of needing even hospitalisation from COVID let alone being at risk of serious illness, other than in a tiny minority or very vulnerable cases, which applied even without vaccines meaning vaccines for this age group were and are rather pointless, statistically speaking from a "protecting the health" service perspective. Under 50s of course make up over half the population of Ireland.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yep. And of the few people I’ve seen left wearing them anywhere (really minuscule) the majority are wearing them under the nose or wearing decorative cloth ones. Surely it’s just for the anxiety at this stage?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Talk about bringing back masks again and we're almost three years into this and we they still haven't gotten around to N95 masks. Apparently surgical masks are still equal to them.


    Our lot is just waiting to see what other countries do and then they will bring in masks again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    N95 masks are dust masks not to be worn for more than 30 minutes.

    In any case - dust masks, blue masks, gas masks, space helmets. Its all a lot of bolllix to appease the fearful over fears our health & governments officials created themselves to begin with. If we ever go back to this charade after all that has come out I seriously question our sanity.

    Which - sadly - is not the same as saying it wont happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    N95 are for filtering airborne particles, more than just dust. And your 30 minutes claim? where did you get that from?

    Rest of your post really should be moved to conspiracy theories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭bmc58


    You won't be saying that when there's a Flu & Covid epidemic this winter.People should start wearing masks this winter for overall public safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jimmy this is very vague and mainly just your opinion. Which is fine . But its not specific .

    I have linked to the HSPC thread many times , but always to a specific part . You are just linking generally .

    Show exactly where you are getting the figures that specifically back up your assertions .

    At many stages during the pandemic particularly 2021, 50% of the hospitalisations and severe illness were in those under 55. And at that time incidental infections were a much lower percentage than they are since Omicron.

    I've said it before many times , it makes little difference if you end up severely ill in hospital of Covid or with Covid. It is still pressure on the health service due to the increased staffing and other requirements of isolation nursing , and the many effects on the patient .

    Covid is not like other respiratory diseases in so far as its inflammatory effects on vital organs and how it causes so many complications from cardiac to renal to respiratory to haematological neurological, etc

    Look at your own link under the different waves and ICU admissions to see all the complications associated with the illness. It's an extremely complex infection .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    They should be mandated again.


    Only because people are going around with self diagnosed colds and relying on negative antigen tests. This has been happening in my workplace. People cannot be trusted to stay at home with symptoms. People just do not care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    That is a clear sing that things are slowly getting back to normal. You cant seriously expect people to stay home with a flu in this economic situation and pretty much non existent illness benefit. This was a norm even back then when economy was not that bad.

    If you feel like you want to stay at home or wear mask I doubt anyone would have anything against your choice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Posts deleted

    This thread is about masks, not vaccines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭bmc58


    Fine for you then.But I am already wering a mask in stores,Post Office etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    The advice is clear. You're meant to isolate with symptoms. I'm not even talking about a runny nose, but people coming in with self diagnosed colds and relying on negative antigen tests which you're not meant to be doing either. They're meant to isolate with symptoms. I don't want their god damn cold. At the very least, wear a mask but these stupid fückers think it's ok to spread colds around and some people won't even cover their mouths, just cough openly into people's faces. They really need to mandate masks because people lost their cop on and manners in such a short space of time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    I was just about trusting people without masks. Can sit indoors no bother. Then someone came into work sick and it's slowly spreading around.

    So anyone who thinks I want people wearing masks, I don't. I want sick people to stay at home. But unfortunately, they can't be trusted to do the right thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭bmc58


    I'll do my best to keep myself safe as I have done for the past two and a half years.You keep safe also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Seriously, mask talk again? Surely we've enough real world data and experience to know they're next to useless. Pure theatre and virtue signalling.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭bmc58


    Flu cased last winter were non existant.I wonder was it due to people wearing masks?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    That's because people only wore one mask, so only one virus was blocked. If only people had worn 2 then we would have eliminated both.



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