Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

magicbastarder · 14-07-2022 09:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339010#Comment_119339010

yeah, i suspect that if you get caught for a full cycle of the lights at the junction between tractamotors and the blanchardstown shopping centre, it'll cost you more time than the difference between 30 and 50 would in the park.

Flinty997 · 14-07-2022 10:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339029#Comment_119339029

Paint dries quicker than the lights at that junction. No one uses that if they have any sense.

Larbre34 · 14-07-2022 10:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339029#Comment_119339029

Thats completely irrelevant.

And as anyone in the area knows, that whole junction is being upgraded as we speak to increase travel time through it.

magicbastarder · 14-07-2022 10:50PM

i suspect you meant decrease travel time?

anyway, the point was that sitting at a traffic light for a minute or more is nothing really when driving in the suburbs or urbs. in the park, people get to drive a whole 4.2km between lights, and the speed limit change makes a difference of about 3 minutes.

i live on an R road in dublin, 50km/h limit. on a 4.2km stretch (equivalent to the length of chesterfield avenue) past my house, there are, at a minimum, 16 sets of traffic lights. at midnight, google maps is calculating that the average speed along that stretch would be 36km/h.

in short, i genuinely* don't understand the fuss from motorists who object to losing 3 minutes of their time. maybe because that's one of the highest speeds they could probably average anywhere within the canals in dublin, for that distance; and killjoys are taking that from them?

*white lie.

Hurrache · 15-07-2022 07:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338657#Comment_119338657

Oooo, the great Green scare raised by you yet again, oh the terror...

15-07-2022 07:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339398#Comment_119339398

It might be just 3 mins in the park though.

But there are plenty of agenda's out there to have this nonsense speed limit applied to many other roads.

I've also seen talk of reducing speeds on motorways by a considerable amount.

What do you do when you already have a 75 minute commute and then you have to start adding on more and more time while the train in your town might come in in the 30s or so if you're lucky.

I for one will be opposing these nonsensical speed limits.

Dr_Colossus · 15-07-2022 08:10AM

New one yesterday evening cycling through the park at about 18:00, opposite the zoo a northern reg black car exited the road from the Lord's Walk car part and turned city bound on Chesterfield Avenue but actually inside the wands and on the cycle lane. Proceeded to then drive the few hundred meters on the separated cycle to exit at the roundabout. Presume it was an error rather than anything deliberate but shows how stupid people can be, cycle lane gets fairly narrow so some of the car would have been on grass to accomplish this driving feat.

Hurrache · 15-07-2022 08:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339945#Comment_119339945

And yet you can't make a coherent argument as to why they're nonsense, I'm probably right in guessing it's solely for selfish reasons, you find them an inconvenience, it's all about the motorist for you.

Flinty997 · 15-07-2022 08:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339945#Comment_119339945

What I've done in the past (when I've had long commutes) is change jobs that to one that doesn't involve a daft commute.

That 3 mins has you so riled up, suggests it's not viable long term.

Flinty997 · 15-07-2022 08:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340072#Comment_119340072

In fairness almost every post in this thread is only suiting themselves with daft arguments from both sides.

15-07-2022 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340072#Comment_119340072

I already did. There was nothing wrong with the speed limit before and 30 is silly because you have to actively focus on driving that slow.

I've yet to see an argument on why it had to be changed other than safety although it wasn't unsafe before.

15-07-2022 09:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340086#Comment_119340086

Becoming harder as more and more are forced into Meath, Kildare, Laois, Wicklow and even beyond.

Seth Brundle · 15-07-2022 09:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339945#Comment_119339945

But there are plenty of agenda's out there to have this nonsense speed limit applied to many other roads.

I think those "agendas" are simply looking for roads to be a safe shared space and not where drivers are entitled to drive as they alone deem suitable.

I've also seen talk of reducing speeds on motorways by a considerable amount.

I suspect you are either mistaken or are talking about a different country. What has been discussed is the possibility of reducing speed limits and other measures for if and when a fuel crisis occurs and fuel rationing kicks in.

What do you do when you already have a 75 minute commute and then you have to start adding on more and more time while the train in your town might come in in the 30s or so if you're lucky.

I changed job, that's what I did! I can now cycle to work (faster than it takes to drive the same route), I save money, I'm healthier and stress levels are way down but best of all I don't have to use the M50 now!

I for one will be opposing these nonsensical speed limits.

Opposing? The Phoenix Park changes have been put to a public consultation and the decisions were made on the basis of the submissions. Did you provide your input then and if not, why?

Former Former Former · 15-07-2022 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340311#Comment_119340311

changes have been put to a public consultation and the decisions were made on the basis of the submissions

Not really though. The OPW aren't under any obligation to take any submissions into account.

I've no problem with the 30k limit but these consultations are a complete load of nonsense. The decisions are made, you might as well be yelling at the clouds as making a submission opposing it.

Hurrache · 15-07-2022 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340293#Comment_119340293

Says it all, "give me a reason other than that daft safety one....".

Flinty997 · 15-07-2022 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340300#Comment_119340300

Live to work my friend...

Flinty997 · 15-07-2022 10:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340455#Comment_119340455

Very true. They do a survey or a study, then seem to infinite and do random stuff based on some knee jerk reaction.

A token 30k limit that people ignore when its suits them seems to be the best of both worlds. Both sides get what they want.

Treppen · 15-07-2022 10:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338155#Comment_119338155

The guy had consumed a litre of vodka and 2 grams of coke and was driving at speed. I don't think he'd care too much about a 30km speed limit anywhere in this country.

15-07-2022 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340459#Comment_119340459

For over a decade our roads are about as safe as you can reasonably expect.

You have to eventually reach a stage were you question how much more can you possibly improve without a blanket ban on all vehicles. Only then will we have our 0.

Hurrache · 15-07-2022 10:23AM

You have your head in the clouds as your assumption, or maybe it's just that you don't care, that they're as safe as you can reasonably expect is wrong, and again based on your worldview from behind a steering wheel.

VonLuck · 15-07-2022 10:25AM

Why are people so opposed to adjusting the road to make it more suitable to a 30km/h speed limit? Surely if you're in favour of reduced speeds you'd be in favour of measures to encourage motorists to stick to those speeds.

Flinty997 · 15-07-2022 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340548#Comment_119340548

The safety improves constantly.

It hasn't plateaued like your implying.

Seth Brundle · 15-07-2022 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340548#Comment_119340548

define "reasonably expect" when it comes to road safety? Surely We can do more to reduce serious injuries and fatalitites? Even yesterday, it was announced that of the 1700 people cycling who were sent to hospital (as in-patient or day cases so excluding A&E) resulting from a collision involving a driver - a third of these were children with over 10% of the total figure being under nine - can these stats not be improved. Mobile phone usage and drivers ignoring red lights has become widespread over the last decade. Can that not be improved? Can we not reduce the number of drivers driving under the influence of drugs (and other substances)? can we not improve any areas of road safety?
Nobody at any point in the debate has suggested banning vehicles. However, what we have at the moment is not working for everyone. Are we to assume that we've reasched a stage in terms of road safety because following through with any more enforcement would just inconvenience drivers?

To be fair, this is quite a stupid argument that you've put forwards!

15-07-2022 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340955#Comment_119340955

We COULD do a lot of things but we won't. We'll do things like reducing speed limits in already safe areas.

Meanwhile outside Dublin, there will remain potholes, terrible roads, horrific junctions that cause deaths etc and nothing will be done there.

But by all means take a safe road and make it just as safe by reducing the speed limit in the name of safety.

Hurrache · 15-07-2022 12:53PM

So instead of whingeing to whatever local rep will listen over what you admit has safety benefits, why don't you get equally animated and contact them about all those things you highlighted?

But we all know you won't, you're just engaging in whataboutery and your only concern is a perceived inconvenience to yourself.

Larbre34 · 15-07-2022 02:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340593#Comment_119340593

Its simply not necessary, its just an exercise in optics.. Why inconvenience anyone at all when its fully avoidable?

Larbre34 · 15-07-2022 02:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339924#Comment_119339924

The fella asked who he should contact to support an objection to the current limits.

Are you honestly trying to suggest that any Green rep would help him with that? Cop yourself on ffs.

Seth Brundle · 15-07-2022 02:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341710#Comment_119341710

Who exactly is being inconvenienced and in what way? Are you seriously trying to say that someone who is delayed in getting to a traffic jam on the quays or in Castleknock by 3 mins is being put out?

Hurrache · 15-07-2022 02:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341730#Comment_119341730

You seem to believe that the Greens are running the country when it comes to anything motor related. Open your eyes and realise it's a much wider issue for a broad spectrum of political ideologies.

Flinty997 · 15-07-2022 02:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341475#Comment_119341475

It's a ludicrous comparison. Just stop.

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