Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

All you can do is mask up and sanitise

But lots of countries did have excess deaths because of covid.

We didn't... because what else happened in Ireland in 2020?

You know this yet pretend not to.

The whole thing is built on a canard. If someone has high blood pressure or heart condition or diabetes and covid, the poster has presumed in every single instance that they died of something other than covid. This is utterly without foundation.

Comorbidities, while they may raise the risk of severe disease, are not necessarily the cause of death. The virus itself can be the cause of otherwise preventable death among those who had manageable health conditions

Completely debunked multiple times already;

How come shaking hands is back to normal now?? And I mean normal as in totally over the top, eg every Tom, dick and Harry you meet in work wants to shake hands. Even the top politicians are shaking hands with everyone at any events they go to. Why are we so stupid??

More attempts at deception in rewriting history.

The lack of excess deaths was because of the reaction -> both the government ones and the voluntary changes in people's behaviour. It takes a very limited form of thinking to look at a safety measure and say we didn't need it because the worst case scenario didn't happen. Other countries had excess deaths in 2020 because of covid.

In the US 50% of Covid deaths were under 80, and 15% of deaths were in under 80s without underlying conditions.

Look at the ICU and hospitalisation admissions for covid. The ones who pulled through weren't people who were going to die without covid. They were people, in many cases 'active retired' age groups or with conditions with reasonable expectation of many years of life, who needed medical treatment. Medical treatment that would not have been there, or would have been severely curtailed \ limited \ triaged in the event of the cases overwhelming medical capacity.

And not only people with covid, everyone in need of medical attention would have been facing the same difficulties in accessing hospital care.

And there you have the reasons why country after country reacted as they did.

Well, I started symptoms last Monday and 7 days isolation started then. I only started showing positive on antigen testing Wednesday but Day 0 is either onset of symptoms or first positive antigen test. I'm allowed back on site tomorrow now that I've completed my 7 say isolation and have 2 days symptom free (apart from no taste or smell), even though I'm still positive on antigen testing.

No matter what way you try to look at it, we had 153 deaths from Covid of people who had no underlying contributory factors.

For all others 'classified' as Covid deaths, Covid was one contributory factor among other - sometimes multiple - contributory factors.

No one can tell for definite 'what if' anything .... whether those people would have died in a short time or not.

The fact remains, according to WHO classification and CSO stats, 153 healthy people died FROM Covid in the two years.

Also we should remember that this was during a time when we received NO advice on how to help our immune systems deal with this respiratory infection.

So 153 deaths during a time when there was no early treatment for the infection.

Deadly? I think not.

of the people in hospital with Covid - anyone know how many were admitted because of Covid/how many got it in hospital when admitted with something else?

Jeez, calm down. I can just imagine you jumping back 2 feet in horror everytime someone extends their hand to you. Probably in 2 masks also. Lol

Hand shaking doesn't have any effect whatsoever on an airborne disease. Just wash your hands and don't touch your face or eat before doing so. Sorry but human beings aren't going to change their inbuilt social behaviour to keep you happy.

Sweden had 10% excess deaths in 2020. That's not "barely noticeable".

Ireland had none.

And also, Sweden didn't just carry on as before as if it was "just the flu bro" / "dose of the sniffles" or whatever weasel words are in vogue with the covid deniers. There was a massive shift in behaviours e.g. working from home, economic activity dropped as much versus countries which did lockdown, detectable reductions in people's radius of travel. To a large extent they locked themselves down. And they still had noticeably higher deaths than Ireland and versus their peer Scandinavian countries in 2020.

I see some people are incapable of envisaging scenarios other than what actually happened & only capable of thinking in binary. In the real world there are incremental and gradual effects.

Define "worked", if you can.

Sure, look at anyone who calls it Covid a "dose of the sniffles", or "just the flu bro" although most of them are highlighted on page 1.

In the first instance, I should also mention that Sweden is a low population density country and was surrounded by countries which did lockdown. There was a massive reduction in international travel. So in multiple respects, Sweden didn't just carry on or live in a wider world that carried on as if it was "just the flu bro" / "a dose of the sniffles".

In the second instance, this is what I wrote:

 There was a massive shift in behaviours e.g. working from home, economic activity dropped as much versus countries which did lockdown, detectable reductions in people's radius of travel. To a large extent they locked themselves down.

This is what you wrote:

apparently they actually did lockdown. When we know they didn't.

Readers - It was clear from my post I was referring to voluntary changes in behaviour yet the poster deliberately ignores this \ is incapable of understanding the difference. You can draw your own conclusion as to whether it is someone unable or willing to comprehend the distinction or... a deliberate attempt to deceive.

Another aspect of those statements from the CSO is

(highlight by me)

Does this mean Covid is not listed along with co-morbidities on the death certificates?

If that is the case then what are the implications? Does it mean Covid is not mentioned as a contributory factor on the death certificate, but the death is nonetheless classified as a Covid death? If so I wonder why this would happen in such a large number of cases.

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Are there any thoughts on this aspect?

It intrigues me.

Hahahaha

The basis for my comments are the figures released by the CSO in the categories determined by the WHO.

When similar figures are available from CSO for the pandemics you want to be remarked upon, then I will do so if asked. Prior to that your questions are ridiculous in the extreme.

Sweden also has more people living alone, etc, compared to here (and places like Italy)

Absolutely. People in their 40s and 50s with asthma , high blood pressure or diabetes would not be acutely at risk like they have been for the past 2 years plus requiring repeated vaccination to keep them out of hospital and ICU .

@Johnboy1951 Misinformation with an attempt to dress it up as real facts .

This has been the mantra from deniers and antivaxxers social media sites and is just too ignorant to discuss or even to requote your post .

The famous Nurse John (the one with the phD )was called out by the BBC for attempting to justify this nonsense and by the Broadcasting Regulating Authority in UK for misinformation in the guise of science .

He of course retracted saying that that was not what he meant to say at all , but with his credibility shot to bits , unfortunately.

I think the number of patients he said that died in the UK was 17000 !

Did you ever hear such a load of bs in your life ?

Eh , maybe you have , but I prefer to get my information from people who know what they are talking about .

Isolated snippete of factual Information taken out of context is misinformation when dressed up with the spin you tried to put on it.

It is good to see that you recognise that I posted the facts.

I placed it in context - otherwise healthy people dying of Covid.

Some here appear to like throwing about that 'misinformation' term when they see facts that don't suit their views.

I will state yet again, that according to the CSO, 153 people died of Covid who had no other co-morbidities listed on their death certificates, during the two years 2020 and 2021.

Accept it or not that is the number.

Well if you are talking about people who try to claim that Covid is gone or that Covid was never anything to be worried about when the evidence is RELIABLY to the contrary , yea , won't be agreeing with people like that , no .

You know I am not questioning either the WHO or the CSO for either their data or their categorisation , just YOU , for your ridiculous statements about how many died with " only Covid " .

That is meaningless twaddle as you know , because so many people in the population have at least one comorbidity , when you are talking about common diseases like asthma for example ...

You think asthma , hypertension , or even diabetes are death sentences these days for the majority of people ?

Good night .

Hope he gets well soon. I was a close contact myself a couple of weeks back. I was in a small kitchen with 3 other people. One was 80 and the other 2 late 70’s. I did notice one was coughing a bit. 2 days later the other 2 developed symptoms. I miraculously didn’t catch it. All fully recovered.