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Tenants refusing to leave even though we are homeless..HELP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭LJ12345


    I’d be tempted to arrive with a bunch of workmen and the loudest tools you can find and start up work on the house again, with no payment received for the ‘bedroom’ they were ‘using’ you assumed your ‘friends’ had moved on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Yeah loads, landlord gets sued and has to pay. I've seen numbers as high as 10-15k.

    If the tenant doesn't pay, landlord does everything by the book, gets a judgement against the tenant for the lost rent, the tenant just moves and never pays.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    Honestly don't follow most of the advice here urging you to do down right stupid things regarding your property. They will land you in great legal difficulty both civil and criminal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Try being a landlord - that'll soften your tongue quite considerably.


    People think airbnb is a goldmine. I've an airbnb (official holiday home that cannot be rented long term). It's full all summer long. Yippee. Circa 18k gross rent. Yippee - until you see the net result.

    airbnb fees, insurance, electricity, gas, weekly cleaning, annual replacement of many things, tv licence, redecoration and then tax. After all that, the NET income on the house is about 7k.

    I'd love to rent it for about €1000 a month, my net would be similar but planning says I can't. Even if I could, tenants simply have too many rights so it is not worth the risk. The larger institution landlords don't have the same issues as they have a department that deals with these issues very quickly through the legal system



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    People can stop with the illegal "advice" and only give actually useful stuff, thanks.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    The problem landlords say they have is that the eviction takes so long and is a slow process whether it's a department for a big rental company or a single landlord dealing with it. It's the same process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Even with high rents droves still choose to leave. Why I wonder.

    I even know an auctioneer who owns a property that is empty years. He has been asked many times to rent it and the reply is always the same. Not worth the trouble mate with over half the rent heading for Dublin and it only taking one bad tenant to ruin me financially so it can sit there for the kids.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Exactly that.

    Better to have it sit idle and slowly appreciate that take the risk of renting it out to someone you don't know.


    In fairness, I feel for the tenant too. Likely not a hope in hell of finding a better deal in all the country, so why not hold out for as long as possible. Again, it's the fault of the market for not finding alternatives.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Look at the UK. A couple of months and a bad tenant is escorted out willingly or not



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Move into the local gard station. You have no where else to go. Tell them, tell the news, name your friends



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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    You sound like a bit of a soft touch and a poor judge of Character. You've too many mistakes made at this stage. Your only option is the to go to the rtb and start the whole process. Bad news is it could take 6 months+ to remove them and worse case even after the rtb rule in your favour you may still have to go to the District court to get an enforcement.

    On the positive side, the whole process is quicker now that the last stage is via the District court rather than the Circuit court which was more expensive and a lot slower. Also if you are in financial trouble or struggling make sure to let the rtb know and apply for legal aid from them if needed.

    One other thing, do they pay the Utilities, are the Bills in there name or was it an agreement that they would just sort out the bill but your name remained on the it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭daithi7


    I think your best bet to expedite them leaving might be by some 'soft' influence. You said these people were your friends, which means you possibly know mutual friends, colleagues and/or relations??

    I think I'd warn them that you're going to tell all your mutual contacts the facts (ensure to keep it at just that), if they persist on trying to hang on to your house and not pay you rent.

    This afaik is perfectly legal, and while they are freeloading scum, they may not be so stupid. Might be worth a go.

    The threat of telling your mutual friends should be more effective than actually telling your mutual friends imho.


    P.s. get legal advice before considering this



  • Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭chuchuchu


    Tenants need better protection in Ireland. You are forcing them out of their home in the middle of a housing crisis just to suit your situation, thats not fair, where are they going to go? basically you dont care and are just looking out for yourself, thinking of places like germany where people rent for years, or even a lifetime. Thats the rights tenants need, now you have backed them into a corner so they wont pay rent, wont leave because basically they dont have a choice in the current market. 40k - 50k people just entered Ireland over the last few months, so competition is stiff for new places



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,765 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    If the threat of telling mutual friends doesn't work, then start telling them. No exaggerations, just the 100% truth.


    Alternatively, the professional landlord approach is to offer to pay them "moving expenses". Likely will take a few grand, and it needs to be clear that they don't get the cash until the property is handed over, in similar condition to what they got it. And possibly you will need to provide a good reference for them, so they can find somewhere else to go. Both of these things will hurt your pride, a lot. But the reality a toss up between them, or taking months / years for the legal processes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,801 ✭✭✭amacca


    Ffs...if the op is accurate they knew it was a temporary arrangement, she gave them notice, they aren't paying what they said they would, they arent taking care of the place etc......its her house........its warped that anyone could side with the "renters" here despite the many errors the OP made.......


    It's the landlords need protection from total one sided bullshittery and the people of Ireland need protection from disastrous govt meddling in the property market and installation of quangos interfering with property rights/natural justice etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Thats the way it should be.

    If you play silly games then the sheriff comes around and kicks your family onto the street after a few weeks.

    That's the way the system works anyways, only with years of delays.


    But honestly, I feel for the guy occupying the house. I'm getting evicted in 6 weeks and there is NOTHING on the market. Not even overpriced stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭Thestart


    I would remind them that they need to pay the rent and leave when the notice period is up. If not, you will bring a case to the RTB and will not give them a reference for a new rental.

    I would tell them that they need to think about the position they will be in when this ends, no place to live, no reference and a visible overholding case that any future landlord can see. The market is very difficult for the best of tenants, impossible for a family with that baggage.

    The decisions the tenant is making here are potentially going to really hurt them in the long run.


    when I’m renting out a unit it’s the first port of call. Just put in the names and see what comes up!!!


    it’s not all on the landlord!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    Does anyone have any actual idea what the consequences for moving back in ideally with links/references, lots of mention of being taken to court and fines but honestly if I was looking at homelessness or possibility of a 5k fine for moving back in, I'd likely be moving back in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    The decisions bad tenants make have a knock on effect for other tenants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    That's what we call blackmail in our legal system. OP, don't take this dreadful advice



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  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭Thestart


    Your just prolonging the inevitable and making it more difficult for yourself to get another property to live in.

    you present yourself homeless to the local council, they put you up in a hotel. You get a glowing reference from your landlord and you can keep looking for another place to rent.

    Or go the overholding route and after 12 18 months you have to go to the council but with the worst reputation from a landlords point of view and far less of a chance of renting again.


    In my experience most people just leave and get through the process asap.

    the op needs to make sure they know what they are actually doing!



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    Highly unlikely they'll go for a few grand, I'd doubt they'd go for ten. Where would they go?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,765 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Telling the truth is not blackmail.

    The OP is not trying extortion, they just want their property back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    Oh right, so Landlords here are complaining about the cost and overheads and yet are willing to accept lower rents if you could turf a tenant out on the spot? Got it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Deeec


    They may have nowhere to go but they could at least pay the rent!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    Don't make me sick. Turning your nose up at 18k revenue a year? Rent seeking on an asset. Complaining that you're only making nearly 10k profit, in your hand, while you continue to own the asset. My heart bleeds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Deeec


    You should try being a landlord yourself whatchagonnado



  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    "heading for Dublin" - bigotry. Not reasonable to deal with unreasonable people.

    Yes, all you landlords are quite willing to sit on an asset worth hundreds of thousands, without rent-seeking, and yet people are supposed to have sympathy for your position. I'm getting queasier by the minute reading these.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭Thestart


    That’s not blackmail. It’s just telling them the reality of the situation they are creating themselves.

    If it was blackmail the dispute case site wouldn’t exist.



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