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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ah look, I'm no defender for the councils in Galway and regularly lambast them for various silliness but we have to be realistic here.

    These folks are saying in one sentence that they've had no communication and then the next sentence (literally) saying they've attended multiple zoom meetings to discuss the greenway with the project team, gotten letters and had project team members calling to their doors. Fair enough they've sent letters and asked for more meetings but until there is a detailed design of a more or less finalised route, then any such meeting would be pointless

    They also want it on the road but thats not likely to happen for obvious reasons. You don't see many people out for a bike spin or a walk on country roads because its a life-threatening activity in many parts of the country.

    The project team have stated all along that they have no interest in cutting through the middle of fields/farms and will keep the route as minimally invasive as possible but at the end of the day omelets and eggs applies.

    As for the claim that the greenway will make farms unviable.... 🙄

    Then there's the point made that the area is busy already with tourists and the area doesn't have the capacity for a greenway....just wut?!? lol

    The worry regarding animals getting out, fencing is the normal solution here. The farmer that mentioned it even mentioned she herself had put up 3km of fencing around here lad to keep in the horses......why would the same solution not work for the greenway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    And the farmers would be the very same people who would be telling you, on another day, how there's no money in farming and they can't see a future for theis kids in the area, all the while doing their best to kill rural tourism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Ah let's give these guys a breather - I have no doubt they are genuine in their overall support. They are just stressed right now, as there are lots of unknowns. It sounds like there is minimal useful engagement from the council on progressing this high level plan to a detailed route. Without heavy engagement with these farmers, there is a risk the council will land a detailed route in their letterbox without their input.

    Communication is key here. If you engage everyone properly, you'll come to a better outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭getoutadodge


    The way they're moaning u'd think a highspeed rail line or a nuclear power plant was being stuck in their backyard. ..not just a simple foot cum cycle path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I'm a bit flumoxxed trying to find out exactly how many greenway trails there are in Ireland, where they are, their accessibility and length/ease or difficulty etc. I know there is a Greenway site and the OSI, but I recently discovered that there is a Greenway in Blessington that I had never heard of and does not appear on either of the above websites. There are probably lots of other greenways/walking routes etc. around the country that are as yet undiscovered other than by those living close by.

    Admittedly I haven't done any in depth research county by county, but I think all greenways/walkways should be more visible on a search, not just for me but for everyone, native and tourist alike. Seems like there is no central website for this.

    But maybe I am missing some very good site that shows it all. Anyone any ideas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well I tried typing greenways Ireland into Google and would you believe that the first thing came up was (shock horror) GreenwaysIreland.org




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Yes I know about Greenways Ireland, but it doesn't include Blessington Greenway for example, just mentions it as a "future" project, even though it is open and being used, which was the point of my post thanks.

    I had to separately search for it and found it via Wicklow Tourism. Just saying that there may be many other (smaller maybe) greenways out there that are not mentioned on the main site and therefore not being used much if people don't know they exist.

    https://visitwicklow.ie/listing/blessington-greenway-walk/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    in fairness the existing Blessington Greenway is only about 5km long, that site seems to be dedicated to longer distance paths.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    could give ammo to any objectors to the kerry greenway:





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭9320


    It won't as it was dealt with in the Court Case at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I accept that smaller infrastructural projects like Blessington are probably not sexy enough for the Greenway website, but I would like to see a central portal for all greenways somewhere anyway. Would be easier than checking out each county individually for what they have to offer greenway wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Yes, I said it years ago, it was ridiculous then and even more so that it still hasn't happened. The DoT should have an official Greenways website regularly updated with full details on each; standard, access points, amenities on the route, etc.

    Look at the great map which RR has put together, and that in spare time pulling together info from various sources. The DoT have enough resources to maintain a website and have all the relevant info on hand. A proper branding strategy would be great (not like a Limerick Greenway and a North Kerry Greenway which are the same thing) but I'd settle for baby steps right now. A definition of a Greenway would be great too, anywhere you can cycle a bike seems to be called a Greenway now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Good to hear some agreement at last! And there are Blueways, and Pilgrim ways, and all sorts of trails and walks all over the shop, but it seems to be very hard to find them centrally.

    Could you link to "RR"s map please? If you have time, I don't have much faith in the search function here, and not sure what to look for re RR anyway. Cheers and thanks.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    RR refers Riddlingrussell who has a map f greenways. There is a link in post #1 of this thread referred to in the title of this thread.

    Perhaps you might check it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Thanks for pointing me to the map in post no.1. It is an amazing piece of work and all credit to RR.

    The point I was making is that a central portal like RR's is badly needed on the Failte Ireland/Greenway/OS sites. I intend to ask the relevant departments to comment, we shall see what their response is.

    As a moderator could you tell me if I am allowed to link RR's map in correspondence? I won't link anything until I find out.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It's not my map but at a guess, there is no reason why you couldn't point Failte Irl towards this thread.

    Cycling tourism has the potential to be huge and the majority of those who would travel to Ireland for this kind of holiday will by and large spend a lot of money in local businesses (bike hire, accommodation, food, etc) in areas which are likely to have bigger all else going for them. It's a no brainer for FI to have a centralised map of their own selling the growing "network" abroad



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Message the poster Riddlingrssell and ask if you can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭9320


    The Greenways Strategy is about National and Regional Greenways, not 2-5km off-road cycling infrastructure. Are people really going to travel to go to the existing Blessington "greenway" that will take them 30 minutes to do in both directions? The 20km minimum in the Strategy means there are currently very few existing open to the public Greenways - Limerick/Waterford/Royal Canal/Sections of Grand Canal/Great Western/Barrow Way the map in Post #1 is mostly filled with potential Greenways which whilst great isn't of use to someone looking to plan a trip now. In 3 years time a National Map would be useful, not now.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    I always wish there were more construction photos here like with the roads forum.


    Anyway, practicing what i preach, here's one of the Athlone bridge construction. Crane on an island halfway. Beginning to take shape at the approaches. Very zig-zag to get to the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭9320


    The Cycling Show (1-3) | Player | Irish Television Channel, Súil Eile (tg4.ie)

    There's a short section on Greenways in the episode above, from 08:13 in the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Was on the Royal canal around Ballymahon, Longford . There's a bog adjacent to the canal called Corlea that's getting a lot of work done to turn it into a Greenway Park. Mostly along the bog rail that's closed down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭Risoc


    What's a Greenway Park?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Like with Lough Boora, loads of trails around a now disused bog. Because it's along disused bog railway I think it can be defined as a Greenway.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Athlone local radio program has Boxer Moran discussing the route of the Greenway after the bridge in Athlone. So we go under the town bridge arch, onto the castle, through "the meadow" past the Shamrock Lodge and "onto Galway"

    I'm miffed at how to draw a line (or even a zigzag) in that direction but its not the first time a politician/taxi driver has confused me.

    https://www.mixcloud.com/AthloneCommunityRadio/streetwiseathloneepisode26/

    (last interview in the podcast if ye want to skip the local crapp)



  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭Risoc


    A near enough full flyover of the Midleton Youghal Greenway. It looks like he took a break to drive and catch up with his drone or something. Midleton side looking a lot further along and that's with the Youghal end being finished off with a wooden boardwalk. They should be able to open Midleton Mogeely shortly with a bit of signage and fencing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    not wishing to be negative, but it makes the Limerick greenway look exciting, not even a bend in the path to keep you awake.

    In the words of General Melchett from Blackadder "god its a barren featureless desert out there!" - But that's East Cork for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Trivia: the water tower on the left @ 4:18 is a remnant of when that site was built as a base for the Royal Naval Airship Service in 1918/1919. The base was never completed and subsequently dismantled.


    The drone footage doesn't show what they have done West of Killeagh where someone has build a house and a machinery yard on the railway / greenway itself. Must go take a look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Would have been better as a railway, if only to prevent cyclists falling asleep and crashing.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The next consultation phase for the Galway to Oughterard greenway is now open for submissions. You can make a submission through the website, email, post or in person at one of the events


    Following the first non-statutory public consultation in February / March 2022, the project has progressed further and Galway County Council, in conjunction with Galway City Council now invite the residents of the local area, members of the public and other interested parties to participate in a second non-statutory public consultation on the Route Corridor Options for the project. Your participation in this consultation is important and we would value any feedback which you think should be reviewed by the project team to help inform the development of the project.

     

    The project is currently within Phase 2: Options Selection, which involves the examination of options in order to determine a Preferred Option. The purpose of this public consultation is to inform the public of the option selection process and invite feedback on the Route Corridor Options.

    A series of in-person public consultation events will take place in Moycullen, Oughterard and Galway City between 21-06-22 and 23-06-22:

    • Áras Uillinn Moycullen
    • Tuesday 21st June 2022 – 12:00-21:00
    • Oughterard Community Centre
    • Wednesday 22nd June 2022 – 12:00-21:00
    • Clybaun Hotel, Clybaun Rd, Galway City
    • Thursday 23rd June 2022 – 12:00-21:00

    In addition, all relevant material will also be made available on the project website to allow for virtual means of consultation. 

    The information will be accessible online at https://galwaytooughterardgreenway.ie/ from Friday 17th June 2022, throughout the consultation period and beyond with submissions accepted until Friday 15th July 2022.

    Please submit your views and feedback online or send by post or by email on or before Friday 15th July 2022. Alternatively, please attend one of our in-person consultation events, where members of the project team will be available to discuss any queries or concerns regarding the project. 

    Email:                  galwaytooughterardgreenway@aecom.com

    Post:                   Connemara Greenway Project, NRPO Office, Galway County Council, Corporate House, City East Business Park, Ballybrit, Galway, H91 KT67



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    This place? https://goo.gl/maps/Lbz4avgdn5Wwwdws7

    That house looks like it was the original house for the level crossing keeper, it's not actually on the line but immediately adjacent to it.

    There doesn't appear to be any groundworks to go around the yard as of Jan 2021 from Google Earth.

    If the owners have planning permission for the yard/front of house I would expect that they'd CPO some cheap adjacent land and chicane around them.

    Even if they don't have planning permission, they might be there long enough for adverse possession to kick in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭pigtown


    A small section of what will be the Limerick-Scariff greenway has had some work done and is now a clear wide gravel path. It was previously a track that was often overgrown and muddy.

    This seems to be independent of the greenway works as the final route for that hasn't yet been selected

    https://twitter.com/MargaretCahill_/status/1535715229358866435?t=8IYw6Q9ls8ud11GBxlfb8w&s=19



  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭Risoc


    Agree with the first part of your post. It is flat and straight with farmlands either side until you get to Ballyvergan Marsh. So they might have to make the most of the attractions possible. It runs alongside the distillery at the Midleton end so Jameson might market it well by opening up the fence with a bit of a view of the distillery buildings.

    East Cork is great though. A few notice boards on local history could make people see things they'd immediately cycle past. There's an old walkway bisecting the line outside Midleton which follows a river that used run the old turbine in the Distillery. That would cost little to restore and I know a few locals are pushing that to make a ring walk around Midleton to include a bit of the Greenway. There is a nice ruin, Cahermone Castle near there aswell. It is extremely near to the Greenway. Trees currently obscure the view and I'd say 90% of cyclists and pedestrians wouldn't know it's there. Then you have the Bladebridge built using decommissioned air turbine blades.

    The Waterford Greenway is great at Halloween. I guess it might be distasteful to landmark the unidentified body and coffin found at the Shanty Gate?


    And that's just the Midleton end that I'm familiar with. You could do a detour in Killeagh to link in to Glenbower Wood aswell, a beautiful area and in addition to the Naval Base. They are making a wooden boardwalk for the last 1.5km in Youghal alright to create a bird-watching area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    The plan was a CPO and chicane yep. I don't know what the end result is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yep I'm a big fan of East Cork too. There's a lot of hidden gems in East Cork. From a Victorian infrastructure perspective, Midleton to Youghal might not be riveting, but it does have plenty else.

    You've mentioned some good bits at the West, but the ending at Youghal Beach is worth a shout too. Clonea is not quite ON the greenway, whereas Youghal Beach most certainly is. Glenbower in Killeagh is a bit off the greenway itself but it's an attraction. It's not bad for a 20k section of greenway.

    I think the ~9km Killeagh to Youghal section will be the only "boring" bit really. And perhaps the marshes will be able to provide something of interest there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I honestly don't think boring* will be an issue for any Greenway, once it has a high level of segregation from road traffic. There is clearly a huge appetite for these facilities from a broad spectrum of the population so any good facility will attract users. Midleton - Youghal might not have tourists flocking there in huge numbers but I'm sure there will be no shortage of users.

    For me, the main advantage of Midleton - Youghal is its potential as part of a much bigger south coast route. There are plans for linking from it to Cork city, if it could be linked to Dungarvan you'd then have Greenway from New Ross to Cork city. There is also the South Wexford former rail route which would create Rosslare to Cork. I could see cycling that becoming a Bucket List type journey.

    *I know people don't mean Midleton- Youghal would be boring in the usual meaning of the word, just not as scenic as other Greenways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I think they're planning to continue the Dungarvan greenway along the rest of the former railway to Fermoy, not sure if there are plans to connect that down to Youghal. The Waterford-Rosslare greenway seems to be in limbo as a lot of Wexford politicians want to see the railway restored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Good luck with that, most of Mallow-Dungarvan route is now farmland having been sold off soon after closure and unlike the current greenway was not retained for years afterwards by CIE.

    Very wishful thinking that they'll ever get it back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    didn't stop them in Mayo, and it's been established in Kerry now that they can CPO if necessary. If it was a road no one would be saying "good luck building that through farmland".

    All I know is the councils have been given funding to plan the extension towards Fermoy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    No it's very very different.

    Prime agricultural land vs rocks and sheep. Expect some pushback from farmers who don't want their fields divided. There are great long stretches of nothing; no trackbed, no ditches, just open fields.



  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    The good thing about a potential future greenway though is that it doesn't have to slavishly follow the exact route of the former railway for 100% of its length. Pragmatic routing options can be developed to minimise division of fields etc.

    Although I'm sure we'll hear the same idiotic nonsense like we did in South Kerry such as that the greenway should run adjacent to the main road! 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I got curious and I looked at Riddlin's map in Satellite view and 90-95% of the route that goes through farmland is still ditch/double ditch boundary between fields. Although a CPO would still be needed, the number of fields/farms affected by splitting might not be as high as you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    It's not just about being close to a ditch; what if there is a dairy herd both sides, how does silage get hauled across Greenway, what if Greenway brings people, dogs etc who's presence is in contravention of a food quality scheme?

    The solution to the above is expensive, and CPO will get very expensive quickly.

    The CPO route for roads, ESB sees a lot of noses in the trough to be fed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Same way a farmer can manage a herd either side of a road - an ingenious invention called the gate. Routing a greenway through farmland is no more obtrusive or difficult than it would be crossing roads (far easier logistically).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    You should really tell Waterford county council about all the money they wasted on underpasses. While you are at it tell all the dairy farmers constructing them to just use a gate...

    Gate compliant with disease control for quality food schemes?

    Happy to have 100 silage trailers crossing per day and mix with kids on bikes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Do we not already have silage trailers going up roads mixing with kids bikes ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The kids should be helping out and driving the tractors instead of arsing around on bikes. In my day...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaA1P4FcvSk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yep, and being able to get a train and greenway from Cork or Cobh to Youghal beach would be a genuinely attractive tourist network. Let alone a Blarney, Cobh, Midleton, Youghal network. I'm not worried about "boring" at all. I don't think I really look at a whole pile of scenery for the majority of time I'm on the Waterford to Dungarvan greenway either. There are destinations en-route, there is relaxed chat, you can switch off and not worry about traffic. The scenery isn't the big attraction, at least for me.

    And most greenway users will be local. Midleton and Youghal (and Killeagh and Castlemartyr) people won't be too worried about the perceived lack of scenery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Luckily for us, we have more money for sustainable infrastructure projects than ever before. And luckily for those projects, roads infrastructure is obscenely expensive. I don't foresee money being a significant obstacle.



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