Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

I'd have to dive deep into the candidates background for at least a decade [maybe even prior to the availability of Twitter and other public sites] to get a good reading of where they STOOD and STAND on issues involving sections of US voters at personal levels. As politics is the issue, sanity of the candidates doesn't seem to count where their electoral comments and statements are concerned, as soundbites seem to get the votes in.

McCormick is a billionaire who was responsible for shipping plenty of jobs to China something which his opponent Fetterman should have a lot of fun with.

Oz is snake oil salesman but he clearly has charisma and will have the full backing of Trump and the establishment Republicans. I think he will look at Youngkin in Virginia, yes keep Trump happy but try and keep him at arm's distance.

Oz is favorite simply because it could be a red wave, but the worry for him is the governor they have chosen for the same state is a lunatic who could drag down the whole GOP ticket in that state.

Chris Christie, George Bush and a lot of the GOP establishment have rocked up behind Kemp.

Kemp if you are a Republican has governed quite conservatively, passed a restrictive abortion bill, loosened gun laws, very pro big business and also had a much more laisses faire attitude to covid than Trump who actually at the time criticized him for not locking down. He also passed a restrictive voting bill which was cheered by pretty much every GOP person bar Trump who obviously said it did not go far enough.

His numbers are solid enough in Georgia so can understand the GOP wanting him to win and their is still a lot of bitterness towards Trump for losing the two Georgia senate seats in 2021 which was mainly due to Trump telling people that voting doesn't matter and Perdue running a wretched campaign where he literally had nothing to say bar "MAGA" .

Its all very bizarre, Perdue has spent only a few million of his personal savings on this campaign which is pennies for him and only agreed to run because Trump pestered him into doing it and obviously his ego at the time got the best of him. From all accounts he has eased up in the last week or two also despite been 30 points down in the polls.

Their is also the even more bizarre sub plot of some in the middle who may even lean towards the Dem in November favoring Kemp because they have watched Perdue debase himself twice for Trump and don't want to take a chance in him winning in November even if he would be the easier candidate for Stacy Abrams to beat.

In amusing news Mo Brooks who had his endorsement from Trump rescinded because he slightly eased up on the "stop the steal" drivel has actually surged somewhat since then. Trump called Mo "woke" at the time which is hilarious as Mo is anything but that, the Dem equivalent would be an AOC primary challenger calling her a "white supremacist.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/22/trump-mo-brooks-alabama-senate-00034249

Its a great question.

And also the issue is how hard can you go after Trump as even if you win you will need to keep him happy as a chance he could threaten running as an independent out of spite which would hand the presidency to the Dems. I can understand the likes of Hailey and RDS who are young thinking its not worth the hassle.

Their is a few Republicans who have zero chance of winning such as Larry Hogan who is probably salivating at the thought of going after Trump on the debate stage though.

I have read articles about blue state governors like Larry Hogan and Chris Sunanu running along with Mitt Romney. All three of those are vocally anti Trump and while the media can dream about them winning a primary their is zero chance of anyone running on a strong anti Trump campaign winning.

Realistically if you are a GOP donor and want Trump gone, best case scenario is to get behind a DeSantis and console yourself with the fact he won't spend all his time tweeting rubbish.

Jeb loves RDS for what its worth.

The Bush brigade loath Trump but they will always back him over a Dem sadly. Trump for all his populist bluster didn't govern that differently than them unfortunately. The tax cuts for example were adored by all the "moderate" GOP folks for example. Ultimately the problem the "establishment " GOP have with Trump is they think he is a moron rather than his policies. Someone like Mitch for example who loves reading books would loath been in his presence unless their was something in it for him.

I don't really see how you beat Trump at all, ideally all get behind one candidate and all the also rans drop out early, but the egos that will be running and they will all have massive war chests so they will all overstay their welcome.

Imagine telling Cruz to drop out early for example to rally behind someone to beat Trump?😂

Any plan to beat Trump has sounded like West wing fan fiction sadly.

I had hoped he would have got distracted with truth social or ideally legally not be allowed to run , but "pigs flying " etc.

If you want to go down a dark road, maybe health reasons, he looked in terrible shape in his Piers Morgan interview. He definitely lost a good amount of weight last year, but sadly I suspect he is one of those people when it comes to weight it doesn't take much for him to lose discipline and put it back on.

Took the Brian Kemp blowout as gracefully as expected.

He cost them 2 senate seats in that state in 2021 , can he blow it again for Kemp?🤣

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1531641422952247298

I read through the "piece" for amusement sake and this is the part where she highlights how Kemp "stole the primary"...

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President Trump had endorsed quite a few candidates in Georgia, including David Perdue in the gubernatorial race with Brian Kemp, and Jody Hice in the race for Secretary of State against Brad Raffensperger. His endorsements were decisive in almost every political race in America this year. So why was Georgia such an outlier?

Sure, Georgia is an open primary state — Democrats are allowed to vote in the GOP primaries there — but that’s not the real story. Look at the RCP polling average: Brian Kemp was getting 52% of the votes and his main challenger, David Perdue, was getting 38% of the votes just before the race.

On Primary Day in Georgia, Kemp gets 74% and Perdue gets 22%. Nobody in any election in America gets 74% of the votes. Ever. It doesn’t happen.

Obvious fraud.

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That's literally it, Kemp was soaring in the polls towards the end so yeah its more than believable and "Nobody in any election in America gets 74% of the votes. Ever. It doesn’t happen.",,,,,,yes it does happen in many primaries especially when the incumbent is popular and has the backing of the part of the party ffs.

Heck out of curiosity also checked MTG in one of the reddest states in Georgia who I assume Emerald adores and she got 74% of the vote v the chosen Democrat in 2020. 😃

McCormick has conceded to Oz in the ballot on whom will be the Republican Senate nomination in the Pennsylvania race.

Something I saw and heard earlier on CNBC about Trump and the 06 Jan coup attempt in Washington got me surprised. It was a GOP politician saying Trump was wrong in failing to use the three vital hours that day - when he did nothing to bring their illegal activities to an end - to address those involved on national TV and tell them to stop what they were doing at the Capitol building because they was wrong. The issue being discussed on CNBC was whether Trump could face trial in federal court in relation to his choice NOT to act and cause the insurrectionists to stop what they were doing and to disperse. OK on that.

In news from two days ago: In a much-anticipated ruling, Judge David Carter methodically walked through the privilege claims of Trump attorney John Eastman and, in the end, handed the January 6 Committee and federal investigators some potentially valuable evidence that might otherwise have remained shrouded as work product or attorney-client communications. Judge Carter noted that a crucial email dated December 22, 2020, which he ordered produced, “referred to ‘the January 6 strategy’ as a known plan to eight other people.” This email establishes that the “January 6 Strategy” had existed for some time and that it involved not only Eastman and Trump but many others within the ambit of the White House.

This ruling is the second from Judge Carter on the issue of John Eastman claiming executive privilege on what was discussed between him and Trump in the White House in Jan 2021 [04 to 07 Jan]. In his prior ruling, Judge Carter had been focused solely on the period between January 4-7, 2021, when Trump and Eastman were seeking to pressure Vice President Pence to overturn the election by unilateral decree. Carter ruled then that the “crime-fraud” exception to the attorney-client privilege applied.

The new Carter ruling is important because the Email dated 22 Dec 2020 made plain reference to the 6 Jan 2021 Strategy planned by Eastman as Trumps lawyer, for a future event in the following year on the date of the reading into the congress record of the presidential election result by Trump's V/P. The email shows clear reference to pre-planning for what would amount to a criminal act against congress, against the constitutional requirement to read into the record the election result by stopping Congress through forceful violence. It is illegal for a lawyer to be involved in any preplanning of any future illegality on behalf of a client. Such illegality would void any attempt to claim lawyer-client privilege over conversations between Eastman and Trump between 22 Dec 2020 and 07 Jan 2021 which Eastman tried to assert existed between him and Trump.

Much of what I typed above in Para's 2 and 3 involving Judge Carter and his rulings is from a report by Jay Kuo in the Home»News»Terrorism section in the Second Nexus publication

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