Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

The upshot to this time of the witness testimony before the committee is that Trump wanted the SS to remove the metal-detectors from his speech-stage area as the armed people in the crowd didn't want to go through the detectors. Trump, according to the witness, had already been informed by his security that people in the crown were armed and he said "they're my people, they wont harm me".

In his speech from the stage, Trump said "we will go to the Capitol" in the full knowledge there were people armed in the crowd he wanted to go with there.

After he left the stage, Trump had a row with the Secret Service security detail in his car as it had an Off The Record [OTR] instruction to go to the White House and not the Capitol and tried to over-rule the OTR order. He actually laid his hands on the detail and tried to seize the steering wheel of the car to change its route shouting "I'm the effing president" The detail told him to remove his hands off them.

In hindsight, it might have been better for the US if the Secret Service had obeyed Trump's order to take him to the Capitol. The trouble he's caused the US since that day may have been resolved by doing so. No one in the GOP could credibly stand by him after such a deed.

Timberrrrrrrr

And in typical.Ttump fashion he is saying he "hardly knew" her and is trying to make it sound as if she was in some way angered that he (personally) shunned her....even though he "hardly knew" her 🤷‍♂️🤣

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119263499#Comment_119263499

He really is something else. The stupidity of this man (and his supporters) really knows no bounds.

Call me Al

Ms Hutchinson's testimony is leaving no doubt as how much the Trump admin was aware of everything and how bad things were in the White House.

They knew everything and Trump did nothing to prevent or condemn any of it.

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119263525#Comment_119263525

Not only did he do nothing to condemn it, he actually encouraged it. According to this lady's testimony, he wanted the magnetic metal detectors to be disabled so that people could get into the Capitol with weapons. It's truly disgraceful what he was up to.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119263525#Comment_119263525

The laise fair attitude of Mark Meadows sounds like it was nothing out of the ordinary or expected to him

Call me Al

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119263540#Comment_119263540

The description is that of a yesman detatched from reality, incompetent for the role he was in. And that's just Meadows and not his boss!

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119263409#Comment_119263409

In hindsight, it might have been better for the US if the Secret Service had obeyed Trump's order to take him to the Capitol. The trouble he's caused the US since that day may have been resolved by doing so. No one in the GOP could credibly stand by him after such a deed.

I was just thinking about this. Can you imagine what would have happened to the stock markets and even potentially the whole World if they had of brought him there. If something had of happened to him everything would have went into free fall all the stocks in the World would have crashed and oil would have been like it was at the beginning of Covid or worse. Our money would have been worth nothing and we would all have been back to trading.

Also him just being there might have caused something similar but maybe not as bad.

aloyisious

Comments made about GOP resignations following from what is now shown to be an attempt by Trump to overturn the election by force caught me by surprise. Betty DeVos quitting the following day should be a guiding light now for genuine US Republicans as distinct from republicans supporting Trump in his attempt to succeed in a putsch. On January 7, 2021, DeVos tendered her resignation as education secretary as a result of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol, saying to President Trump in her resignation letter, "There is no mistaking the impact your rhetoric had on the situation." Betty DeVos is no minor league player in US and Washington political affairs.

Later today may provide more light on the witness statement that Trump used physical violence against one of his Secret Service close security detail in an effort to get to his peaceful rally at the Capitol Building on the 06th. According to a CNN report, the secret service is supposed to be providing witness testimony to the committee hearing in response specifically to the reported physical actions and incidents between Trump and members of his detail in the vehicle carrying him away from the stage event he spoke to his rally. If the secret service does so and confirms the truth of the witness's testimony, it SHOULD blow away the smoke Trump has released tonight in response to the testimony.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119264343#Comment_119264343

I like the word "freefall" you used to describe what might have happened if Trump had gotten his way on the 06th. Recession and downward spiral come to mind as well to describe what he has brought to the US and the GOP. The saying "when the dollar catches a cold, the world sneezes" comes to mind.

It's worth keeping in mind that his own children are on record of opposing his intent for the 06th prior to that date and on that date as well. They knew what he planned was off the rails.

Cookie_Monster

whats that image, is he back on twitter now or just formatting releases to look like it?

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119264974#Comment_119264974

truth social, alternative social media platform ran by Peter Thiel I think. An app atm

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/truth-social/id1586018825

Trump is the big draw for it, suspect Trump knows it doesn't have a fraction of the reach that twitter has but Thiel probably given him a bag of money to use/promote it so that's how it is.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119263409#Comment_119263409

The quote trump said was 'they're not here to hurt me' as if to imply they're here to hurt someone else...

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265141#Comment_119265141

No, it just emphasises the Trump thought process that only Trump matters in his universe - no other thought can ride above him and his position in life.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119263499#Comment_119263499

Amazing how many people Trump barely knows. And the manner and language he uses - especially with women - always sounds so petulant, reads like pffh, he never would have banged her anyway so what does she know?

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119264343#Comment_119264343

I was thinking about this myself last night, what was Trumps end game that day?

Did he want to lead a crowd into the capitol building and indeed into the Chambers? Could/would the capitol police have stopped them?

Imagine you're at the barriers and the POTUS strolls up with a mob of several thousand and demands that you step aside, what happens if they do then reach the Chambers?

The secret service who overrode Trumps demands to take him back definitely need to give (more) testimonies and clear things up as to what happened in the car that day.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265141#Comment_119265141

Yes, plus an acknowledgement that they were no threat to him. It helps to dispel the "It was anti-fa who stormed the Capitol" disclaimer put out to distance Trump from the violence that his peace rally people brought down on the heads of the people who really protected his GOP allies in the Capitol that day.

Edit... Just caught what's [possibly] in your post. Given that he reportedly didn't disagree on what his peace rally was chanting "hang Mike Pence" that day, it make's clear his dislike of those who are not loyal to him. His family would presumably fall into that category because of their advice to him that day and probably get a few FFS's.... sent their way.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265385#Comment_119265385

We can be lucky that at least the Secret Service agents were sane and not stupid or crazy enough to go with Trump's demands.

kal7

Would Trump have been sitting in passenger seat of the beast?

surely he is in the back seat, therefore not able to grab steering wheel??

I am no trump supporter, just thinking of how that could happen.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265449#Comment_119265449

Quite easy to stand up in the back of any car and lean forward to grab the driver or wheel

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265385#Comment_119265385

Yes. I do believe Trump, however he came to that conclusion, believed he could effectively lead a putsch against the sitting government.

Let's not forget: this is a man who confidently & blithely declared if he shot a man on 5th Avenue, his poll numbers would raise. He told us, without subtly, where his mind was going if he won the Presidency. Fadó during the 2016 GOP primaries; there it was in plain sight.

A vulgar bully, used to basically trampling over people, and/or avoiding consequence in his business life, became the most powerful man in the world while his ostensible party bent over backwards to placate his mood-swings and ... let's call it "mercurial" behaviour. A concentrated media campaign that swerved into a Personality Cult without blinking. Christ even in his days as a Celebrity Tycoon his ego was massaged by TV networks. 4 political years of basically getting away with anything "cos I'm the President", and big surprise: a man drunk on power, but too stupid to plan, tried to seize complete control.

Maya Angelou's words will never stop being true with these paper tigers and charlatans: When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265385#Comment_119265385

I think the end game was to create havoc outside the buildings to force a delay or to push more GOP Senators/Congress people to vote against the certification.

The wider circle wanted a "Look how angry the people are? , we can't certify this election with so much anger and confusion going on" kind of moment to give air-cover to Pence et al .

When the rest of them realised it had gone too far they were trying to get him to pull them back , but Trump didn't give a damn.

Because he had absolutely no concern for other peoples safety or for the impact to American democracy etc. because he doesn't care about ANYTHING other than himself.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266070#Comment_119266070

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265385#Comment_119265385

That doesn't bear imagining, plus two secret service details [Trump's and Pence's] crossing paths in the midst of the Capitol Police efforts to bring order and safety back to the legitimate occupants and staffers, with Trump in his mob-assisted ascendency. Pelosi was also on the vocal death-threat list of his mob.

The White House issued condolences to the families of those who died in the Capitol that day, not Trump. Mike Pence also sent his condolences to the families.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266070#Comment_119266070

Havoc outside happened anyway, but Trump actually wanted to go into the Chambers, would he have attempted to bring the crowd with him effectively telling the DC police to step aside as he marched in?

"The 25-year-old told the committee she had heard people talking about Trump going into the House chamber inside the Capitol building while his supporters were breaking in.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, from Trump's Republican Party, called Hutchinson when he heard the president wanted to come up to the Capitol building and angrily told her, "Don't come up here," she said."

amandstu

If it comes down to the wire and the Republicans have people in place to falsify the results of State elections does the country have the tools to prevent that outcome?

Would it be martial law until such time as the elections can be guaranteed ,with politicians who are not behind new election security laws barred from running until such time as free and fair elections (and transfers of power) are secure?(maybe international observers this time)

If the next election is stolen by the kind of methods that are now being shown up in the Jan6 hearings how long would it be before democracy returns to the States?

Time to lock him up along with his buddies?

amandstu

@Timberrrrrrrr

"Havoc outside happened anyway, but Trump actually wanted to go into the Chambers, would he have attempted to bring the crowd with him effectively telling the DC police to step aside as he marched in?"

That is what I was thinking.Getting his own f'ing way one way or the other.

Seems like stake in the heart time now.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266518#Comment_119266518

Or twenty years in the pen.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266491#Comment_119266491

Realistically - No they don't.

The only protection would be Harris doing what Mike Pence (rightly) refused to do .

People could go to the Supreme court and seek to have those spurious results over-turned but does anyone really think that the current SCOTUS would prevent a GOP candidate from stealing the Election?

Setting aside the newer members , Roberts has consistently ruled in favour of voting restrictions etc. - I mean the guy got his seat as a reward for leading the efforts in 2000 to get Bush installed over Gore by shutting down the recount in Florida!!

aloyisious

Ref the testimony given yesterday about Trump's behaviour in the vehicle taking him away from the stage after his speech to what he defined as his peace rally, it's been mentioned that it was an SUV and also the Beast. There seems to be kickback from within the Secret Service about his behaviour. I can only hope that it, like most modern vehicles, has look cameras fitted inside it for standard legal reasons and maybe for security purposes as well because of whom it carries.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266583#Comment_119266583

I thought the Supreme Court held up well in the face of Trump's legalistic antics but it seems to much to expect that they should be the ones to defend the Republic at the last ditch.

Ironic to suggest that Harris could be given powers to arbiter the fairness and correctness of the process.

How could the Trumpites object to the others stealing their scummy methods?Simple,they just would.

Maybe the transfer of power could be postponed until such time as there is common acceptance that electoral procedures were followed correctly.

Giving anyone such powers devalues American democracy but giving them to the present Republican party would be even worse.

Maybe American democracy needs a makeover anyway.

My own feeling is that it is too big to succeed and needs to be broken up (along State lines)

Maybe all parties might agree to that.