Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119245068#Comment_119245068

Yip. GOP will comfortably take the house and likely the senate in November. Barring something catastrophic or the most orderly massive economic adjustment happening in the next 18 months Biden will be out on his arse as well.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119245801#Comment_119245801

If only there was something that would've happened in the last 24 hours to motivate sway voters into voting Democrat? The supreme Court ruling today will catalyse that vote considering 83% support federal legislation on women's bodily rights.

So I wouldn't be so sure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119245910#Comment_119245910

Stay in your fantasy world so, millions of people just like you are how the GOP stay in power and solidify their power.

This was news a couple of months ago. The polls didn't move. It's regurgitated news today, let's see the 2% drop that reverts in a couple of weeks.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119245910#Comment_119245910

The polling around abortion is weak but abortion will still be legal in most states, its just a question of how conservative regarding the timeframe the right wing ones shall be.

Eg in Florida its 15 weeks and what Youngkin is aiming for is supported by the majority in polling released in April.

The house is gone although this might save a few spots, the senate is still more in play than people think not particularly due to this, but how weak the likes of Masters, Walker, Oz and possibly Greitens are in there respective states.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246119#Comment_119246119

Ah yeah sure screw the woman in those states...the people with the money sure can go to another state...what about the rest?

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state-roe-v-wade-00037695

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246203#Comment_119246203

Not saying I support it at all, just debating the point whether its going to be huge benefit to the Dems in November.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246089#Comment_119246089

News of the leaked memo was released then, but at that stage there no guarantee that the Supreme Court would enact it.

Now there's talk of rescinding gay marriage and contraception.

This is all bad news for the right as it'll seriously motivate the traditionally 'lazy' dem voters and the swing voters.

Do you think these moves by the Supreme Court benifit the Republicans in light of the forthcoming elections? And if so why?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247436#Comment_119247436

This is all great news for the right. They’ve been working on this for 40 years and have won. Thinking it’ll motivate any voters to push back is delusional, they’ve never pushed back before.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247436#Comment_119247436

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247474#Comment_119247474

I think you're both right. Will there be a bump from an angry electorate? Yes, I think there's a good chance the young and liberal bases might just mass on the voting booths.

But what chance has what consistently amounts to a majority of thought in the US when the entire electoral system has been manufactured to work against them? From modern day Jim Crow in Georgia, to blatant gerrymandering, to what we're see now and a lifetime of Conservative Supreme Court judges (I believe there are cases a judge can be removed but it's incredibly hard).

And even if the voting public fight past all that, unless it's a record breaking blowout, charlatans like Manchin will continue to hold sway and basically sabotage any sniff of electoral reform (and again, in a duopoly, even Democrats won't remove potential weapons, I have my doubts they want reform either TBH).

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247474#Comment_119247474

The push back from trump got the worst Democrat candidate elected in the GA, so I would expect the same

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247549#Comment_119247549

I hope you’re right. But I’ve zero faith left.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247436#Comment_119247436

We're back to fantasy land now. Once the draft was leaked it was never going to be changed. Seriously again, this is why the Republicans wield such out-sized power. Every step along this way has been met with naivete and childish notions about right and wrong from the Democrats. RBG wanting some amazing moment where her successor would be nominated by the first female president, lack of knowledge about how the law works, more than a decade of complete neglect of local and state politics, all that great stuff.

When we see the Democrats actually mobilise and have a 6-10 year plans to take state legislatures and actually having a presence in states where they can't win every time then I'll believe that things might finally change. 19 little children being slaughtered isn't enough for them to change how they vote either way. A woman in Mississippi not being able to get an abortion (I know it wasn't the easiest state to begin with) will be unlikely to sway a voter in a purple state to vote Democrats when their kid has had to move back in with them because rent costs nearly as much as minimum wage in places.

I would suggest a 50 quid charity bet on who wins the House in November but you'd be mad because you can get 5/1 on the Democrats winning with the bookies. Which is about right, other than direct intervention in a conflict somewhere I don't see another path.

pixelburp

Quiet part said loud, or genuine verbal gaff?

President Trump, on behalf of all the Maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the supreme court yesterday,

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/26/illinois-mary-miller-roe-wade-abortion-verdict-victory-for-white-life-trump

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251096#Comment_119251096

Quiet part loud. Definitely.

The anti-choice movement was always partly white supremacist.

ohnonotgmail

Interesting to see what happens after the mid-terms. If the dems have control will Biden have the beans to expand the court and pack it?

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251894#Comment_119251894

What happens then when DeSantis gets the nod? Just expand the Court further again and pack that expansion with Christian Conservative judges? Harder to achieve but the lifetime aspect of he appointment needs to be killed off. That and senate term limits.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251096#Comment_119251096

It does sound like she did misread but what a Freudian slip though.

The issue about packing the supreme court is it always assumes the GOP will never be in the position to do the same , so when does it stop?

Term limits should be something that should be prioritised however, its absurd you have people refusing to step down until they die because they don't want to give the other side a pick. Its something that their is support on both sides.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252234#Comment_119252234

It's remarkable the fear Trump instilled in America than nobody ever asked how farcical it was that any vaguely liberal leaning direction within in highest body, hinged on a then octogenarian judge staying alive. Ginsberg was a titan but should never have been required of her to keep going - or else Christian Extremism won.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252008#Comment_119252008

The GOP have already gerrymandered the court. I'm sure the GOP will continue to do so given the chance. The dems are rolling in a mudbath with the GOP and are afraid it get dirty. The GOP have no such fear.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252586#Comment_119252586

Her not stepping down when Obama had the numbers stains her and also Obama's legacies sadly.

Thomas from all accounts strikes me as someone who will be on the benches until he dies, even if you like him that's utterly insane.

But then the most important people in American politics are Biden, Trump, Pelosi and Mitch who are all around 80 years old, utterly ludicrous.

kowloon

So, am I correct that the number of supreme court seats was initially set to match the number of circuit courts? So why didn't that number increase as extra circuit courts were added? Do I have this all wrong?

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252008#Comment_119252008

DeSantis will expand the courts if it suits him whether or not Biden does it now. I don't get the Democrats should be really nice or Republicans will break the rules when Republicans are already breaking every rule that suits them.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119253335#Comment_119253335

Sort of - It was set to 9 back in 1869 when there were 9 Circuit courts - It had moved up and down a fair bit prior to that , mostly down to various Presidents and Congresses playing silly buggers.

There are 13 circuits now , but there is no formal link between the two that is actually codified anywhere so an attempt to add 4 more for example to align to the Circuits would be seen for what it is - A partisan attempt to shift the balance , regardless of how partisan the work of McConnell et al was to tilt it to it's current state.

Term limits are the way to go - Set it to something like 20 or 25 years and then work from there. - Breyer is already gone , so only Thomas is currently over that limit , next up would be Roberts and Alito who are both at ~16 years.

Introduce the same Terms limits across the board - House, Senate and SCOTUS - It would mean a large scale clear out across the board but overall it would be extremely good for the US system of Government.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254253#Comment_119254253

Who wants to be the one who pulled the trigger on the Republic going completely off the rails though? No more than wanting to remove a potentially useful tool in the filibuster, I can see Democrats reluctance to go nuclear. I can also see the argument to do just that - the Republic itself is in peril and drastic action might be the only remaining course, rather than waiting for the GOP to get over its pivot into a full-blown Christian Extremist / Personality Cult.

aloyisious

There seems to be something happening very fast with the work of the investigative committee and its staff working on it's evidence hearings. The decision by the investigation committee to meet in sudden session tomorrow after breaking up for the holiday period, with congress members having to return tomorrow to listen to who seems to be a surprise witness is probably coincidental to the FBI, with DOJ clearance and with a warrant from a judge, stopping John Eastman leaving a restaurant and seizing his phone. Eastman is claiming the seizure is wrong. Having the phone and its contents in their possession is one part of the battle to use them to make a case against Eastman of actions contrary to law. The other part is getting it accepted into evidence in a court as well as available to the committee hearings.

I have started wondering recently if the reported disagreement between the DOJ and the committee on the sharing of information the committee has been given by witnesses has been a ploy to legally fool the Trump party involved in the fight against the committee hearings. The FBI must be as aware as any other powerful investigative body of whom is likely to have information useful to its investigation as the committee does and did. I guess Trump may yet regret not issuing a pardon to Eastman in respect to things he may or may not have done on Trump's behalf in the past while still president.

I'm also wondering if some-one high in public Washington public life has [been] rolled-over by the FBI and agreed to provide evidence to the committee in return for non-prosecution. It could also be person/s from one or more of the states vote-recording officials or some-one from one of the alternative Trump-inspired GOP fake vote recording groups.

Quin_Dub

Seems to be some suggestion that the focus is on phone calls/discussions among the Trump offspring about "Election Strategies" prior to the Election that were caught on Camera by the Documentary team.

What appears to interest the panel is whether Trump and his children had planned to somehow stop the certification of the election on January 6 – a potential violation of federal law – and to force a contingent election if Trump lost as early as September.

If they have these kind of discussions on tape from months before the election that is huge...

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260233#Comment_119260233

Is that the Alex Holder documentary film?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255714#Comment_119255714

You are asking turkeys to vote for christmas.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260821#Comment_119260821

Yes - Apparently he has 6 or 7 hours of direct interviews with Trump and family along with 100+ hours of general footage just following them around etc.

Looks like it's the general footage that they might be talking about here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260872#Comment_119260872

Oh , I know but it's the only serious solution to the problems they have.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260872#Comment_119260872

There's also the problem that there are so many broken aspects to American Politics, chasing Chuck Grassley out of the senate is going to be a tough sell for those most incensed about more immediate, day-to-day issues. With Roe v. Wade in tatters, I doubt even the most persuasive politician could sway the public that the larger issue people should focus on are the lifetime appointments with the SC - and functional ones afforded by no term limits..