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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    Looking good for the GOP in November, but the concern for the GOP establishment has always been trying to keep the Trump MAGA loons to a minimum in blue/Purple states, sadly for them Pennsylvania could be a serious issue.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,683 ✭✭✭✭ Leroy42

    why sadly for them? The Trump loons, including the man himself, are the very reason the GOP are staying relevant at all. They want the loons, they need the loons.

    Removing the loons means the GOP have nothing to offer. The GOP is the Trump loons.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    Do you think a MAGA "Stop the steal" candidate would have won the Virginia governor race , a state which Biden won very easily?

    The hardcore MAGA vote is important but if that was the only GOP voting constituency they would be goosed for November .

    The freaks like MTG make a lot of noise but in the grand scheme of things are irrelevant when it comes to the GOP powerbase.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭ ancapailldorcha

    No but this isn't the point. The MAGA brigade are part of the base and they're inherently unstable. The evangelicals, libertarians and so on aren't going to flip blue.

    Show me a god that does not demand mortal suffering. Show me a god that celebrates diversity, a celebration that embraces even non-believers, and is not threatened by them. Show me a god that understands the meaning of peace. In life, not in death.

    Steven Erikson

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,683 ✭✭✭✭ Leroy42

    You cannot separate out the Trump supporters from the GOP, they are one in the same. They stood by Trump when he said that Neo Nazis had good people in their ranks. They stood by when Trump said the insurrectionists of 6th Jan were brave people. They voted for him in November.

    While of course it isn't only them that voted for him, they have decided to align themselves and accept the like of MTG and the rest. One cannot claim that somehow MTG isn't a GOP'er, or represents the GOP.

    Of course every party has its radicals, and MTG would probably fall into that, but not when the leader is Trump, as she is really just parroting his line.

    The 'Stop the steal' is Trumps line, and thus the GOP have lined up behind him.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,638 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nody

    Trump supported to the end Madison Cawthorn failed to win the nomination in North Carolina for the position as the R nominee for North Carolina’s 11th congressional district. Yet another blow to Trump's so called power to be king maker yet again; it looks like MAGA (like the tea party movement earlier) has taken on it's own life out of the control of the people who started it yet again.

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp

    Conversely, his pick in Philadelphia won the primary and was, unsurprisingly, someone who fought the 2020 election results. Cawthorns chances were probably nuked by his tattle about GOP coke orgies and good old fashioned homophobia over some of his personal stories

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    He's quite conservative with his nominations, generally waits until it looks like they are safe and does his thing.

    The Vance in Ohio and Oz in Pennsylvania are rare exceptions. It got Vance over the line although its much messier with Oz.

    For those unfamiliar , its been a three way battle between McCormick a billionaire who is backed by old school GOP and has also got Steven Miller and Hope Hicks working for him, Kathy Burnette who got hot online but bombed on the day of voting backed by the terminally online crew e.g Posibec, Cernovich and probable winner OZ who Trump endorsed due to liking him personally and seeing similar traits with him such as a reality tv background and been pretty liberal before he ran for GOP office.

    It got really ugly in the last few weeks , a lot of anger with Trump endorsing Oz and some of the oppo research dropped on him was pretty xenophobic focusing on his Turkish/Muslim background. Barnette got her social media history distorted as supposedly she liked Black lives Matter and Obama obvious sins for the GOP.

    Oz should crawl over the line, but looking from afar its clear that yes Trump got voters out for him, but a sizable Maga base told supreme leader to go **** himself and voted Barnette while those not as enamored with Trump voted for Mc Cormack.

    He still has power as the Vance endorsement proved, but his wings have clearly been clipped somewhat.

    Next primary of note is Georgia next tuesday where Brian Kemp who Trump despises for not doing enough to stop the steal (LOL) and David Perdue who is literally running on nothing bar "Stop the steal" & "Trump is God" .

    Kemp is doing well with polling and Fox have him at 60%,,,plenty of GOP establishment have rocked up to support him such as Chris Christie and most notably Mike Pence which won't have escaped Trump's attention.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,993 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious

    Is the result in yet on whether Oz or McCormick won the election or is the counting of postal ballots still in progress?

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,062 ✭✭✭✭ Itssoeasy

    its too close to call and because it’s so bloody close it’ll be going to a recount under Pennsylvania law.

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp

    Speaking under the knowledge most here are not MAGA Ultras, who is the preferred, saner candidate in this race?

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Quin_Dub

    None of them are great really.

    They all laid down at the feet of the Glorious leader.

    Oz is just a bit "off" , what with his TV medical quackery general fruit-cakery. Trump's sole interest in him is that he is a "celebrity" so Trump thinks that automatically make him special.

    McCormick is a more garden variety GOP type but he has played the Trump card pretty hard in recent times so wouldn't act as any kind of brake against whatever nonsense Trump et all wanted to get up to.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,993 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious

    I know the postal vote is an issue [big for some] in the election just hope it wont be used by the candidates themselves as an excuse for the voters not giving them the benefit of the ballot or fall [deliberately or otherwise] for the Trump postal-vote rabbit-hole. I saw a short interview this afternoon on CNN of the third candidate and it [to me] seemed like a train-wreck. The interviewer asked her about some comments of hers from the past indicating a bias against two sections of US society and her rebuttal was to attack the media and accuse it of misusing and misrepresenting the contents of her comments, that her opinions and stance on the particular issues had changed. She didn't state that the media misrepresenting the contents of her posts was CNN, it was the media in general.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,993 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious

    I expect Trump to accuse the state official of wrongdoing in overseeing the count if Dr Oz loses the race and to make calls for a recount if its close [either way] for Dr Oz oh the grounds of "count errors". I don't see Trump resisting either the temptation to speak/broadcast to the media on that point regardless of the wishes of his camp and the candidates not to give the media a quote on the result.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,993 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious

    I'd have to dive deep into the candidates background for at least a decade [maybe even prior to the availability of Twitter and other public sites] to get a good reading of where they STOOD and STAND on issues involving sections of US voters at personal levels. As politics is the issue, sanity of the candidates doesn't seem to count where their electoral comments and statements are concerned, as soundbites seem to get the votes in.

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Quin_Dub

    Trump has been whining , but none of the candidates have made any mention of any of his usual guff.

    They are saying fairly reasonable things like "When all the votes are counted I'm confident that I'll win".

    Now , it remains to be seen if Oz in particular stays like that if his current ~1k vote lead was to disappear in a recount..

  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 18,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Brian?


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Quin_Dub


    I think it's generally viewed the "Dr Oz" would be the weaker candidate in the head to head next November - The attack ad's write themselves really.

    For a start he's not from Pennsylvania and aside from going to College at Penn State for a few years 30+ years ago has never lived there - His "address" for the Primaries is his sisters house.

    So I guess the Democrats would probably be happy with a messy divisive re-count with all kinds of name calling and Trumpian nonsense followed by Dr Oz limping over the line having pissed off most of the party apparatus in the State.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    McCormick is a billionaire who was responsible for shipping plenty of jobs to China something which his opponent Fetterman should have a lot of fun with.

    Oz is snake oil salesman but he clearly has charisma and will have the full backing of Trump and the establishment Republicans. I think he will look at Youngkin in Virginia, yes keep Trump happy but try and keep him at arm's distance.

    Oz is favorite simply because it could be a red wave, but the worry for him is the governor they have chosen for the same state is a lunatic who could drag down the whole GOP ticket in that state.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,993 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious

    I'm left with relying mostly on CNN for a regular info boost as a reasonably safe source [though I know it does have a bias, in so far as it is the complete opposite of Fox "news"]. I use snippets from WaPo and The NY Times as well as Politico. Today/tonight CNN is reporting that Mike Pence is campaigning in Georgia for Brian Kemp - which has excited Trump into commenting that MP is doing so to seek relevance. Trump has reportedly gone after Brad Raffensperger again as well.

    Thing is: is there a section of the GOP using Kemp to hit back at Trump and weaken his grip on its voters? If there is, does it include Senator McConnel?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    Chris Christie, George Bush and a lot of the GOP establishment have rocked up behind Kemp.

    Kemp if you are a Republican has governed quite conservatively, passed a restrictive abortion bill, loosened gun laws, very pro big business and also had a much more laisses faire attitude to covid than Trump who actually at the time criticized him for not locking down. He also passed a restrictive voting bill which was cheered by pretty much every GOP person bar Trump who obviously said it did not go far enough.

    His numbers are solid enough in Georgia so can understand the GOP wanting him to win and their is still a lot of bitterness towards Trump for losing the two Georgia senate seats in 2021 which was mainly due to Trump telling people that voting doesn't matter and Perdue running a wretched campaign where he literally had nothing to say bar "MAGA" .

    Its all very bizarre, Perdue has spent only a few million of his personal savings on this campaign which is pennies for him and only agreed to run because Trump pestered him into doing it and obviously his ego at the time got the best of him. From all accounts he has eased up in the last week or two also despite been 30 points down in the polls.

    Their is also the even more bizarre sub plot of some in the middle who may even lean towards the Dem in November favoring Kemp because they have watched Perdue debase himself twice for Trump and don't want to take a chance in him winning in November even if he would be the easier candidate for Stacy Abrams to beat.

    In amusing news Mo Brooks who had his endorsement from Trump rescinded because he slightly eased up on the "stop the steal" drivel has actually surged somewhat since then. Trump called Mo "woke" at the time which is hilarious as Mo is anything but that, the Dem equivalent would be an AOC primary challenger calling her a "white supremacist.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    Pence according to reports for a while is running no matter if Trump does in 2024 and he knows rocking up for Kemp will go down poorly with Trump. He's never going to go all out attack on Trump but if he has a chance to bait Trump he will.

    He's probably the only big hitter that is certain to run if Trump does, people like Hailey and RDS I dunno if they want the hassle of dealing with Trump on the debate stage but neither of those 2 have had to deal with lunatics planning to hang you either because Trump lost in 2020. 😕

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Quin_Dub

    Now it gets interesting - McCormick submitted a lawsuit seeking to have certain mail-in ballots included in the count - The ones in question are ones that were "undated" by the voter which the Georgia court have recently said should be included because even though the voter didn't date them they'd have both a postmark and they are all dated/stamped on receipt so none of them could be "late".

    Trump will no doubt weigh in again further spreading doubt among Georgia republicans about the value of their votes..

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ duploelabs

    Will they even debate Trump should he decide to run?

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    Its a great question.

    And also the issue is how hard can you go after Trump as even if you win you will need to keep him happy as a chance he could threaten running as an independent out of spite which would hand the presidency to the Dems. I can understand the likes of Hailey and RDS who are young thinking its not worth the hassle.

    Their is a few Republicans who have zero chance of winning such as Larry Hogan who is probably salivating at the thought of going after Trump on the debate stage though.

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Quin_Dub

    The more of them that run , the easier it will be for Trump - That was a large part of his 2016 Primary win.

    There were so many of them running voters couldn't coalesce around a competitor to him.

    If there is a segment of the GOP serious about keeping him out , they need to pick one maybe two people and lock in behind them. If there are ~10 randomers running , it's a cake walk for Trump as he has ~30% minimum absolutely nailed on in support of him.

    And Pence is absolutely categorically not that person , he is the absolute personification of an empty suit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2

    I have read articles about blue state governors like Larry Hogan and Chris Sunanu running along with Mitt Romney. All three of those are vocally anti Trump and while the media can dream about them winning a primary their is zero chance of anyone running on a strong anti Trump campaign winning.

    Realistically if you are a GOP donor and want Trump gone, best case scenario is to get behind a DeSantis and console yourself with the fact he won't spend all his time tweeting rubbish.

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Quin_Dub

    I'd agree - The strategy is not a "anti-Trump" one but simply "Not Trump".

    Let him rail about Stolen elections ad infinitum and just focus on actual real stuff like Jobs and the Economy etc.

    Whilst not saying it out loud , the position should be "Do you want a lunatic who will only be concerned with getting revenge on everyone that wronged him or do you want someone working on stuff that impacts your life?"

    Not that I think anyone in the GOP actually gives a damn about the average voter , but that strategy is the only one that has a chance at being a differentiator.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell

    If the ones that do not want Trump were serious, they could do a Ross Perot and suck votes from the Republicans if they got the right candidate. A vote of 5% would make all the difference, but they need to take those votes from Trump rather that the Dems.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Quin_Dub

    They might not want Trump , but they absolutely don't want a Democrat.

    Trump won't win an Election is a fair fight , but if the result from 2020 was repeated in 2024 the GOP have done enough work (and are doing more in 2022) to ensure that results like Pennsylvania , Arizona and Georgia would be flipped to Trump regardless of the actual result.