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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Brosna1999


    The tender for the Insurance Advisory and Brokerage Services Framework was published today. Reading the PQQ it suggests that the RO application has been pushed back yet again to Q3, although bizarrely, it states that the metro will be fully operational by 2029.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 8,121 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Sierra Oscar


    Worrying to see the RO application continually getting pushed back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭ MyLove4Satan


    "it states that the metro will be fully operational by 2029."


    The new CGI 3D model of 'MetroSpeed' will be fully uploaded to YouTube by then is what they mean.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spacetweek



    Doesn't say 2029 in the image you showed but maybe they meant construction would be done by 2029, with opening to the public by 2032. A 3-year testing and commissioning phase is not unheard of for these things.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Brosna1999


    The ball has been in the government's court for the past year since the preliminary business case was submitted. They've been continuously kicking it down the line since March last year when it was first submitted. Until the PBC gets cabinet approval there will be no railway order application.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,282 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    The business case was submitted to DoT. It still has to be submitted to cabinet for approval which is what government refers to in the public spending code.

    Are you sure? It would make more sense for the business case to be submitted to government soon. Still no sign of a railway order before the end of June.

    Even without any public consultation, it still would have taken 4 years and would have created more potential judicial reviews. The public consultations cost nothing and took little time. We're now in a situation where there are only two or three disgruntled groups against such a large project which is unusual for Dublin.

    It may be cathartic to blame public consultations for the delays but most of the last four years was spent on design and railway order preparation. Even during the public consultations. They still hadn't decided on the final alignment underneath Trinity like a month ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    So we're still very far from submitting planning/gaining government approval?


    Honestly just cancel it and build a Swords luas, its clear there is no political want for the project.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,154 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatInABox


    You realise, of course, that a Swords Luas would have to go through exactly the same process, right?

    All the same reports. All the same consultations.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭ cgcsb




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭ AngryLips


    And why not? Didn't we already ditch a shovel ready plan in Metro North for Metrolink?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 jumpinsheep


    From which document was that Table 1 image taken? Is there a document link that you can share?

    Just noticed a Market update for May 2022, published in the Metrolink website (News section) on the 11th May: https://www.metrolink.ie/assets/downloads/Market%20Update%20-%20May%2022_Final.pdf



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    You're probably right. The greater Dublin strategy never seems to change because nothing new gets built. Lots of strategies and no construction.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    Why is the Minister for Transport, or the Minister for the Environment, or even the leader of the Green Party not pushing this project to the top of the Gov agenda?

    Not a word from any of them.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    They are all the same person as you probably know, but in the current context there is way too much responsibility on one person in terms of day to day issues at the minute:

    The war (fuel prices, fuel supply security, aviation issues, shipping), Brexit (transport issues, dealing with the UK gov), electricity supply security issues, the capital programme, inflation, trying to get the offshore planning issues sorted, I could go on.

    Way too much for one person, especially a person who spends time trying to undermine his own agencies’ work and obstructing Government policies and programmes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Brosna1999




  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭ petronius


    It is over 20 years since i saw a "tube" like map of Dublin with Metros and Luas on it!

    All that has been built is the green and red lines really!

    The Metro-North/link whatever Swords-Airport-Ballymun-DCU-City Centre-Charelmont - just start it! The Swords-Airport-Ballymun-DCU.... seems pretty set in stone (I seem to recall them doing subterranean surveys for it), I think they were deciding on it changing to go via Drumcondra or Glasnevin? with a station at Parnell sq or O'Connell street.

    Why not start Swords-Airport-Ballymun, while the rest (Ballymun-DCU-O'Connell St. and O'Connell St-St Stephens Green-Gharlemont?) is being teased out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭ D.L.R.


    Pleasing their voters comes before saving the planet. Like any political party. Their own voters won't let them do green things. And that's why Green party politics is fundamentally unsustainable. The irony.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,391 ✭✭✭✭ salmocab


    You can’t start something unless you know how it’s going to finish, imagine the cost of saying to the contractor right you’re just at Ballymun so here’s the rest of the plan send in the invoice and try not to make it outrageously expensive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    The route issue is resolved some time, it will go via glasnevin. The southern terminus is a bit nonsensical but look at this stage just build it. There's whispers of global recession though so government are unlikely to build. We'll be lucky to get parts of bus connects and parts of DART+



  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ gjim


    I know I'll draw ire for seemingly aligning myself with the "rethink metro" clowns, but I agree regarding the southern terminus at Charlemont. Dropping it, leaving the TBM under Stephen's green rather than under Charlemont, would cut considerable costs (200m maybe?) as well as avoiding spooking twitchy politicians who seem to sh*t their pants any sort of NIMBY crowd pipes up - and the residents around Dartmouth Square have already expressed their "concern" about the project.

    But I'm a little more optimistic than you because of where we are in the election cycle. Imagine there was a GE coming up, every clown in opposition would be promising a "rethink", "to look at all options", etc. to appeal to NIMBYs and those who know nothing about the history of the project and will assume that no real "thinking" has gone into the current plan. Anyone hoping that ML ever sees the light of day better hope that the current coalition survives to the end of its term and preferably survives some what intact after the next GE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭ AngryLips


    In fairness, the only benefit of Metrolink over Metro North is the fact that the terminus doesn't end smack bang in city centre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,042 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl


    Ultimately at this point, any change in the route or design is going to delay things, not speed them up.

    Post edited by Podge_irl on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    Well of course it does, but Irish governments still continue to do this and are unlikely to change.



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