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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭ cgcsb

    I've just heard that the department wants TII to undertake a full legal review of the project before submitting a railway order. Looks dead I'm afraid, 1000 cuts.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,971 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato

    Never let a good crisis go to waste by not cancelling a major Dublin infrastructure project.

    "We'd love to build it, but..." mica / Ukraine / inflation / housing. Take your pick.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭ yer man!

    What does a full legal review mean? The department is under Eamon Ryan's direction no? He can determine what is asked for and what is not.

  • Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭ JPup

    What department? What would the nature of the review be?

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,572 ✭✭✭ dublinman1990

    Where is the official source for that information?

    Is it from the Dublin Commuter Coalition or something as I cannot find it on Google so far. It sounds very concerning that this full legal review for ML would be done now when it's really close to having it's business case being approved by the cabinet.

    If this project is going through a full legal review at this point in time; Do we have any indication of how long that will last before it's railway order being submitted to ABP?

    EDIT: I have just found this on Twitter.

    It may shed an important light about this apparent legal review on ML if the RO has to submitted to go into the planning system.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭ cgcsb

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭ cgcsb

    Hasn't been made public, information is from the NTA. A full legal review means whatever the solicitor they hire wants it to mean, so its in their interest to make months of work out of it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭ MyLove4Satan

    The metro is not going to happen. That is what is means.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spacetweek

    Are you saying Cork Level Crossings already had and completed a legal review? (I didn't know)

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,971 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato

    As Michael Biehn said in The Terminator...

    What year?

  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine

    It's been September for a while now, sadly. Since March, I think. They haven't said that publicly though. They will have to soon.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,238 ✭✭✭✭ loyatemu


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭ cgcsb

    Clearly a story written as a pretext for project cancellation. There is no way that €9.5bn will be paid for a single public transport project in this country. If policy changes to seriously deprioritising cars, a surface route could be delivered on all arterial routes for less money, journey times would be slightly longer than metro but I don't see how such a price tag can be justified when we have the road space, we just need to take it from cars and give it to PT and cycling.

  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭ Pete_Cavan

    The article says "The metro will be built between 2031 and 2034, ministers will be told."

    It then says "The procurement process is set to begin by 2026, which is expected to take at least two years and then it will take a further nine years to build the metro.".

    The article seems a bit of a mess, better waiting for the actual info tomorrow.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl

    We shall see, but given current inflation and the timescale of the project I'd still be surprised. I'd build it at twice the price so I don't care ultimately.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl

    Built between 2031 and 2034 should be finished within those years I think? Its a terribly written article but procurement is already happening and shovels should be in the ground long, long before 2031 (and it would take far more than 3 years to build anyway).

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭ prunudo

    Hopefully it means completed by then. Would imagine construction would take longer than 3 years. Yhink the port tunnel was 5 years.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ gjim

    It's insane money. The fully-underground new metro lines in Paris cost less than half that per km.

    Dropping the southern section to Sandyford has really screwed the project. The upgrade between Sandyford and Charlemont would have cost relatively little and pushed the overall cost per km into much saner territory.