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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 8,114 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Sierra Oscar

    Sunday Business Post reporting that Eamon Ryan is hoping to bring the business case before Cabinet next month for approval.

  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine

    Sounds like the plan is to do it just before the recess then. So early July.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 8,114 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Sierra Oscar

    That seems to be the case, which would be really positive.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Brosna1999

  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Brosna1999

    Does anyone have access to the Business Post that could share the article?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell

    The original opening date for Metrolink was 2027. The Gov has yet to even approve the business case - and that is with a Minister for Transport who is the leader of the Green Party, and Metrolink is the 'greenest' policy that there could be. They have yet to submit a Railway Order, and then find a contractor under tendering process that will be anything but quick.

    At this rate, there will not be a shovel in the ground, let alone a TBM before 2030.

    So why the interminable delay?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭ AngryLips

    "Ryan standing in front of a podium every week to tell everyone that there are no updates won't change that.

    I don't want Ryan out there promoting MetroLink. I want him whipping his agencies to deliver it quicker."

    Well at the moment he's not doing either with any success.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell

    I expect Ryan to be out there saying what he is doing about Metrolink, and the fact that he is not out there saying what he is doing leads me to think that he is not doing anything.

    If tendering is progressing, like pre-qualifying, should be announced.

    How will it be funded - it should be by the EIB, not PPP, as PPP is just Public money into Private Pockets. Why is tis not part of public discourse?

    I want to hear him saying he is whipping his agencies into action, and how that is going - not radio silence.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,223 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    Ryan is a disaster of a politician.

    Because of his ideological leanings he simply has zero business having the transport portfolio.

    ’ You don’t need a car to live in rural Ireland ‘

    nope, not a hope, I’d say we’d be doing well to have it by 2031. Genuinely.

    as a family member said.. “I was still working when it got to go ahead and to think there is about 0.0001% chance I’ll still be here to use it.. by the time they get it built”

    Ryan probably wants it delayed until the tech is available to move all the plant and machinery to sites in ‘electric’ 40 ft trucks.

    What I’d do is remove Metrolink from his transport portfolio… a separate ministerial position given the shîtshow of incompetence .. ‘Metrolink Delivery’ and just have them work daily on getting it built.

    Ryan is 10000% out of his depth… absolute state of this country and political leadership of it that a man like that can end up with a portfolio of such critical importance to the state and fûck it up on us.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl

    I don't think he is giving them anything, but I also think he knows its not a particularly popular project among his own constituents (no thanks to himself). I don't think its restricting whatever work he is doing, but wouldn't surprise me if it reduces how much he talks about it.

    I would disagree that it doesn't matter at all - there is an overriding sentiment that "sure it'll get cancelled anyway" that I think it would be better to try and counter.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,656 ✭✭✭✭ LXFlyer

    There is such a thing as announcement fatigue.

    Constantly making announcements about projects just infuriates people.

    However I really do wish that TII and the NTA could come up with timeframes for the project that are realistic, given the staffing constraints, rather than every deadline continually being missed.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭ cgcsb

    It's rubber stamping/ time wasting exercise. Designed to make processes excessively complex

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,154 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatInABox

    It's a CYA exercise, so that ministers can say that they've listened to the experts, and the experts say this will be a good deal.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell

    In 1981, CIE were asked to investigate a tram system for Dublin. That is 25 years before it opened.

    Look, Mary O'Rourke, as Minister for Transport, delayed the Luas project by asking for more details - objecting to the underground part as 'people would be worried about going underground'. Luas was a 'dead waste of money' and a projected white elephant before it was built. Once built is was the best public project since forever, and has been at crush capacity ever since.

    A Dublin Metro was proposed in 2005 in Transport 21. If it opens in 2035, it will be 30 years in design and construction. That is nearly a full working life.

    Metrolink has been handled very badly - even before it was Metrolink - when it was Metro North. What is so hard about it?

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell

    The media, and particularly RTE, will always bring edge cases as the example of all.

    Just listen to the stories they broadcast on the current energy inflation. They take a woman with a disabled child that has significant energy requirements to power a hoist, and the need for elevated room temperatures. Now I am not belittling her needs, but it is far from typical.

    The publicity given to the Dunville Ave locals and access to Mortons shop on the possible closure of the level crossing would make you believe these deprived locals would actually have to take the Metrolink to get around instead of relying on their 4by4 tractors.

    The Irish Times also make big on the negative aspects of any rail based or PT project, while ignoring the positive aspects that would have many benefits to the average person.

    No wonder Metrolink continues to wallow in that never never land of waiting for approval by Gov and its various agencies.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,656 ✭✭✭✭ LXFlyer

    Can we PLEASE move on from Dunville Avenue?

    It is irrelevant since the issue of the sewer became apparent.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ strassenwo!f


    We've been told I don't know how many times only to talk about the Metrolink, as planned, here.

    Yet, yet again, Dunville Sam brings up extraneous issues.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,965 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato

    We can't have politicians pushing WRC-style projects through on the nod for regional political gain, though, either. But there has to be some way of getting projects approved and started with both a reasonable level of evaluation and oversight without unreasonable second-guessing and delays.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell

    Dunville Ave was mentioned as an example of the negative attitude certain media outlets have towards PT projects.

    A GAA club (Fianna) also became a big issue driven again by social media. They actually lost out from the protests, IMHO.

    These protests have all delayed the Metrolink project.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭ whatchagonnado

    Yes. The George 'How can I buy a TV in Arnotts if I can't drive across TOWN?!' Hook brigade are thankfully a dying breed. Radical ideas and implementation are still needed.