Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness *spoilers from post 118*

Amazing to meet Patrick Stewart's accountant on Boards!

I think it committed the worst sin a Marvel film could: it was boring. While marginally better than the mess that was the Eternals, I'd be more interested in re-watching Iron Man 2 or Thor: The Dark World before I'd bother throwing this on again.

Not getting the love for Olsen's performance either tbh. Wanda didn't have nearly enough justification for her actions: her grief at losing Vision and the whole "mother's love" for children that never existed schtick just didn't work imo.

It's rather worrying for the MCU tbh, so far phase 4 has only had one really good film (No Way Home), Shang Chi was going well until the final act whilst Black Widow, The Eternals, and now Multiverse of Madness have all been thoroughly forgettable fare.

I found myself thinking about going for a smoke half way through, Mrs Sleepy literally fell asleep and the biggest reactions in the theatre we were in was for the cameos in the Illuminati scene. The kids were amused enough by it but unlike better Marvel films, there wasn't the usual "what was your favourite bit" / "I wonder if that means we'll see XXXX in the next film?" conversation out of them on the way home.

I have higher hopes for Love & Thunder but I do wonder if the MCU is going to ever reach the level of Phase 3 again.

Did something happen to Patrick Stewart while filming Picard?

The fact that I spent the energy to type all that...to say i would recommend it and I bolded in my initial post:

it has been so long that I felt the characters are 'real' in a superhero film - all the praise of the film apparently went over your head....because of your blind love of Elizabeth Olsen? Apparently there is no criticism allowed I see, and I thought I am actually being nice.

It is rather bizarre really I liked the film and the film 'inspired' me to write a (subjective) opinion on boards, with my reasons/rationale etc - I am simply sharing my opinion as a movie lover. A commendable project from Raimi and team - and therefore I commended it.

Mary Sue stuff - I said in the other post that both of them showed up uber strong without proper character development from Wandavision and 'What if', simple as that. This is another whole different topic that I won't go into it now - for example, Steve Rogers doesn't just become Cap because he had super serum injected.

Together with the woke stuff (i.e. the "messages"/social-political stuffs that have been shoved into films/tv recent years) - they are bad entertainment that's all, because shoving in woke crap (or mary sue characters) is easy but creating good script and putting well thought design/vision to the project is hard and costly and it takes longer time. So ya if you are not aware of this 'social norm' / no impact, great - because is not like I am the only one seeing that and being vocal about it. And ya I would rather not outline any example from Disney so I don't stir up more off topic discussion.

Everyone gets older and frailer but your response has t anything to do with my question or your earlier post that I was asking about.

“Trekies who have been watching Patrick Stewarts revival of his other iconic character, Jean Luc Picard, will see that Stewart just isn't capable of demanding film schedules anymore.”

Yes, you are incredibly fragile if you are looking at a group in a given scene in a movie and counting the gender of the characters and then taking offense to which dies slightly quicker. You're the male version of the vocal feminists who took offense as to how a female character died in Jurassic World because it was 'too violent' compared to the way male characters died - something I similarly called nonsense in that thread.

Captain Marvel is the MCU's Superman. I am not a fan of either character due to their power level and how it messes up everything else - gender has nothing to do with it so I don't understand why certain folks have to shoehorn it in as being part of it. If you only hate overpowered female characters you need to take a look at what is really driving your issues.

It can be assumed that Carter in the 838 universe has very similar experiences as Steve Rogers did in 616. Did you complain when Rogers with similar serum and experience went toe to toe with Thanos one on one for a short time when he had multiple infinity stones, when Thanos had just taken out other much more powerful characters far far quicker? Even ignoring that, it is perfectly logical that Wanda took out the characters quickly that she saw as the biggest threats which gave Carter the jump on her - it isn't always/ever a conspiracy against men.

I don't know how anyone can look at MCU and say it is 'woke' unless you are simply offended now by the representation of characters who aren't white straight men (despite white straight men historically being nearly the only type of superhero in MCU and now still making up the majority of the main characters). It must be horrible to spend a movie constantly looking for ways to be offended.

I cant fathom how people are saying that this interferes with wandavision, or renders wandavision pointless?

If anything, its a direct continuation of it, it literally picks up her story from the exact location she settled in at the end of the series, where she was shown reading the darkhold.

$185 million..........Dang! Can only imagine what Thor: Love & Thunder will do on its opening weekend.

I going again tonight... Not that I think it's brilliant, but I have a free night and. Know I probably missed a lot...

I haven’t seen those comments.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

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It is said a bunch of times in this that it's the Darkhold that corrupts people , so this is a perfect continuation for her arc she had starting using the Darkhold at the end of Wandavision and obviously it'd had taken hold of her it wasn't all her basically that was willing to straight up murder America Chavez

It goes in to detail to show what happened 2 of the other Stranges that they couldn't handle it , one destroyed universes the other one ended up being melted by the Illuminati

I loved it and was engaged through all of it , Love how Horror centric they made it and suits the strange property so well

I'd love if they gave Sam Raimi the keys to the Ghost Rider franchise , a proper one not the shite that new line gave us with Nicholas Cage ,

That isn't the definition for fatigue that posters have written on threads here over and over again. When they've spoken about Marvel fatigue they've said along the lines of 'Endgame was the peak and I don't really care anymore' - it was a much broader fatigue for Marvel.

Nearly universally the public have been slow to pick up on new lesser known MCU characters that don't have an external driver, like Black Panther or Captain Marvel. For example, the original Dr Strange movie took in less than half of this movie on its opening weekend.

Shang-Chi and Eternals were released during COVID so aren't a good barometer for interest, on some measures they actually far outdid the likes of Ant-Man. It is hard enough to get the public to watch a new hero, it is even harder during a pandemic when the public isn't interested in most casual visits to the cinema.

The point you are making above regarding the upcoming MCU movies is one that I was making to those claiming/hoping for fatigue. The initial post COVID run up until Spider-Man was basically a palate cleanser for the MCU, they're now back to their 'A' and 'B' characters rather than the 'C' and 'D' and the audience is back nearly as much as before.