Retrofitting

well played micktheman that pretty much answered bryanF last post

"NO do not fix any insulation to the inside face of the inner leaf of the concrete block wall in the attic, as it would be totally redundant and a complete waste of money, and serve no purpose whatsoever."

So what about the thermal bridge?

chooseusername

Your answers are so long and so full of technological details - and are difficult for me to follow 😂😂 and read. Easy to know that you have put a substantial amount of research and logic and a lot of thought in to your query and apparently will only want to criticise my reply. 😂😂

I first assumed that you were asking a genuine question, but from reading other posts here it appears that you are only acting the Wally (nice word) with the rest of the clique.

Your comment as follows:-

“Set up” and “Well Played” This carry on by the clique is disgraceful and unbelievable so say the least, in this Forum where genuine people ask Real questions- and under normal circumstances should be entitled to and given free expert advice here. But unfortunately there are human beings involved, and as a friend of mine always says about some humans - “expect nothing from a Pig except a Grunt, and you shall never be disappointed”.

And someone else in the forum instructed me to “grow up”. 😂😂😂

However there are normal minded people readings this and I will continue to provide them with correct information requested by them.

I will use very nice words here which will not allow the clique to achieve their goal of - to be able to ban me from the forum, no matter how much they try.

it is not my fault that people here are discommoded (another new word for you to use 😂😂) because their EWI is redundant with their vented cavities. They themselves caused this problem. It is what it is. (Good advice here - only get advice from Construction Professionals). They could have availed of my expert free advise here in this forum😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I am delighted that I have expanded your vocabulary and you will now be able to be significant and impress your friends no ends with this New big word.

It is axiomatic 😂😂😂 that yourself and the clique want me to answer your query as follows:-

I didn’t say that. If I did I would have to clarify the ‘Problem’

In the funny sketch you displayed, there will never be a problem in the room below from a Cold Bridge. Condensation will never occur unless you were running a Laundrette and drying all the clothes on the Radiator in the room with the windows and door of the unvented room closed. Otherwise there will not be a condensation problem.

and no - you will not freeze to death in the room- no worries matey 🦘🦘🦘. Any person can stay in the room all day long very worried about the few half-watts heat loss up through the “thermal bridge”.

What is the best advice yourself and Mick would give in relation to the thermal bridge to a human being in the room getting ‘Paralysis by Analysis’ over the few watts escaping up their thermal bridge as per your sketch. It might be best to instruct them to insulate the entire wall in the Attic to stop them from worrying and might be cheaper than getting and treating mental health problems.

Mick thinks it’s a thermal bridge and maybe it’s a cold bridge, what do you diagnose? 😂😂

Micktheman is getting very excited about a “thermal bridge”.

I was going to ask the clique a Question - to explain to me the difference between A Cold Bridge and a Thermal Bridge, but it would probably cause Google to crash😂😂. -TV/Google/ Bannon/theory - Insulation/ cold bridge/thermal bridge experts 😂😂😂😂

Before one of you gets excited about the thermal bridge /cold bridge, and all the terrible heat loss of the few half watts as per your sketch there are many other factors. Thousands of houses were built to the 1992 BR which requires a 5000 mm2 permanent background vent in all habitable rooms, many houses had 1 or 2 open fireplaces. All houses must have purge ventilation as required by the BR. The back and front doors are opened many many times each day so that most of the heat loss from the room (down under) will occur by Convection and maybe-just maybe a silly smidgen of a few watts of heat from the room might go up through the inner leaf of the wall by Conduction OR maybe cold might travel down the inner leaf ☃️☃️☃️

And yourself and mick (genuinely😂😂) wishes to know if the uninsulated wall of the attic above the ceiling insulation in your sketch is a cold bridge and /or thermal bridge - of course it is. Most parts of the house are a Cold Bridge and a Thermal Bridge, and heat must flow out if there is colder air outside. So you decide where the thermal bridge/cold bridge starts or ends.

Its not Magic- it’s Building Science, and needs to be examined by Cost Analysis Benefit - how much expensive thermal insulation do you install to prevent small heat loss occurring. 🔥-v- €€.

You asked the question about my advice in relation to adding more insulation to the wall in your sketch, although I believe it is not a genuine question and is only asked for an ulterior motives- for the clique - I will answer it for the Genuine people reading it- there is no need to add any more insulation in the attic to the inner face of the wall leaf at the attic side to reduce the heat loss in the Thermal Bridge. No matter how much insulation you add you cannot eliminate the Thermal Bridge.

Now matter what thickness of EWI is installed together with super cavity fill insulation together with excellent internal wall insulation - the external walls will always be a Thermal Bridge. This is Building Science.

And bear in mind that in Ireland we have a very mild climate.

Here are some Excellent BR drawings from Homebond Right on the Site leaflets.

New houses should be done accordingly to comply with the BR.

In renovating an existing house, the way it’s shown on your funny sketch is perfectly fine.

I can’t wait for all the Scientific detailed replies I will receive, to increase my thermal insulation knowledge. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙊🙈🙉

@WacoKid , might I suggest starting a dedicated thread for this, and keep it updated as you progress.

This one got contaminated and your experience would only get lost here.

Hopefully the cowboys will leave it to genuinely interested posters wishing to follow you along the way.

Good luck with it by the way.

Will do once the ball is rolling. 4-6 week wait with One Stop Shop providers for engagement, and then same for a formal quote on the technical assessment undertaken.

Hi, how do you know what the timeframe is? I was in touch by email with 2 of the companies the day they appeared on the SEAI site. Radio silence and none of them answer the phone. Have an attic conversion pencilled in for July and was hoping to coordinate that work with other upgrades, even if they wouldn't be done until later as also switching mortgage provider and getting equity release to cover retrofit cost.

Got a reply after 1 week, will be 2-4 weeks before technical assessor is in touch, and another 2-4 weeks before I receive their technical report.

BryanF

I never made negative comments, and if I claimed another member did, I would get a Warning from A Moderator.

Furthermore I have not disappeared.

Thirdly if I called another member a Troll I would get a Warning from A Moderator.

I have read the Rules as you advised with the last 2 Warnings, and it appears to me that the rules apply different to different members.

Hi. Can u explain the process for using -snip- and still availing of the OSS please? My reading of the SEAI page is that only registered One Stop Shop can be used.