Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

They are still feasible but not politically.

Very little deaths??

I don't know where you get your information from or what papers you read but you're 100% wrong.

Thousands have already died and thousands more will die.

At least the quality of your posts have not deteriorated... that would be difficult as they are ALL garbage.

Of course, Zelenskys primary aim now is to stop the fighting and killing. Thats a given, but that's not to say that Putin is going to get everything he want's in any settlement. So yes, an agreement will be made, neither side will be 100 % ( or even a lot less) happy, but it will end the war. But that will not be "End of Story" I think. Ukraine, will rebuild and become stronger. Russia???? That's an open-ended question. Only time will tell how that plays out.

So, decimate the tax take, stop borrowing and just go to the magic money trees?

As usual your post has a fatal logical deficit which you willfully ignore - the age of cheap carbon based energy has ended and isn't coming back. Energy prices have been rising for a while and took off when Russia invaded. You even reference how "the energy price increases the last few weeks in Ireland" but your post seems to suggest this is due to "the green option" rather than Russia's war.

It is our over-reliance on carbon based energy which will move millions of people into severe poverty, we need to move to a better mix of energy sources with greater security and not relying on untrustworthy regimes. Yes carbon based energy sources will continue to be a vital component of the energy mix for a long time but its importance needs to reduce.

Personally speaking I can. Living in rural Ireland gas is an alien concept. I see gas bottles for sale in the petrol station but the last time one of them was inside the door of our house was for my late grandmothers super ser heater circa 35 years ago. I save a plot of turf every year €500 euro for 8 tons approx, foot it and draw it home myself, heats the house lovely every day for the entire winter. And I will definitely be doing it this year again and it’s tedious work but every sod I turn and lift I will be thinking to myself f**k you Putin and your gas you wouldn’t last five minutes out here.

When are you going to address your claim that Poland invaded Germany in 1939?

A reminder, for anyone that thinks this poster is debating in good faith:

Trump administration gave putin free reign and Obama's administration never tried to check his growing ambitions.

The US has been very soft with Russia for 20 years

Im really only reconnecting with this story today - been out for the count for days, despite 5 negative antigen tests - ugh - bad week - anyway

What do we think of the attack on a target in Russia proper today? As i understand it some Ukrainian choppers crossed the border and attacked an oil depot? Im assuming the Russian forces are concentrated in the Ukraine so, attacking a target in Russia was easier - they were vulnerable to an attack on the rear? Im trying to catch up with this story, so do correct me if im wrong. Bravo Ukraine though

Do we have any further indications RE casualties in Russian Military?? When i was last active it looked like a figure of 10,000 aprox - which was then retracted - and i heard NATO estimates up to 15k.

As for tooka - ugh i am not responding to him - im ignoring him. Over the past few days (high temperature and fever) i keep seeing his posts 'quoted' - and i dont know whether to laugh, scream, or assume im hallucinating - i recommend ignoring him of course

One thing i wanted to mention in particular is Finland joining NATO - i recall seeing that the writing is on the wall for This. Do we have any word on Sweden?

This will be the real defeat for Russia now - Think about what they will have 'accomplished' - imagine the hypothetical 'outcome list' of this war

• Ukraine Cede Donbas/Crimea to Russia
• Ukraine Armed Neutral - not a member OF NATO - but armed by the west with advanced weapon systems
• Ukraine to join EU
• Finland to join NATO (check out their air-force!)
• Sweden to join NATO (also! check out their home grown Air-force of Saab Gripens!)
• Russia sanctioned, leaving Russian economy in the toilet
• Foreign companies abandon Russia
• Russian Airlines banned from Non Russian Aligned Airspace - seized Western Leased Aircraft eventually rendered useless due to components embargo by airbus and Boeing
• Russia forced to invest in home grown aircraft - it will take YEARS for them to get back up to speed on this front (and the cost will be immense)
• Technological boycott leaves Russia disadvantaged in comparison to the west

I seem to recall seeing that Finland could be admitted to days within days of a membership application - i put this down to the technological prowess of their military - its already at NATO standard so -

So Russia will have achieved VERY LITTLE - at a massive cost in manpower, machinery, credibility, and the financial cost is extreme -

Oh that attack across the border seems very significant to me.

Logistics seems to be Russia 's Achilles heel and I heard military analysts on CNN suggesting their mooted redeployment might be impossible in short order.

Also that lines of surrendering troops might be days away.

Incredible if that comes to pass.

Yes this is getting very interesting, the camera footage of the attack appears to be a number of missiles launched into the large oil depot in Belgorod which is 22km from the north eastern Ukraine border with Russia.

Very brave mission by the Ukraine Armed Forces or by its special forces unit. This could be to draw Russian army back from the front lines.

Does not look like the missiles were launched from a helicopter, more a long range missile attack S300 missile system from within Ukraine territory. Sky news have the footage which looks like a massive oil depot terminal.

This is not the 1st attack on Belgorod, last week a large ammunition's depot also experienced a large explosion.

https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-war-huge-fire-at-russian-oil-depot-12579478

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10665295/Suspected-arms-depot-western-Russia-destroyed-Ukrainian-missile.html

@kravmaga Does not look like the missiles were launched from a helicopter, more a long range missile attack S300 missile system from within Ukraine territory. Sky news have the footage which looks like a massive oil depot terminal.

Unguided rockets were fired from the helicopters ,the s300 is an anti aircraft missile and isn't used attack ground targets