Random EV thoughts.....

Just watched that too, @TitianGerm , great minds and all that 😁

Deserves it's own thread:

I have ordered a home charger and is to be installed well after next. But I'm wondering if it's worth the cost to me of 800 euro + electricity usage or cancel and use the public ones?

I bought an Ioniq 5 58kw on Thursday and have charged it at lidl for free (20%) to see how to use it and today at esb 50kw charger (50%) The duration was 00:53:11 and the energy consumed was 10.270.

The cost for the energy was €(2.75. In addition, a €4.60 overstay fee was applied.) I won't go over 44 mins again. I usually comute between 350 and 400km a week.

You definitely want s home charger, cheapest EV night rate is around 6.9c/kWh, less than one quarter the cost of a DC charger

At those rates the charger will pay for itself in no time

There's also a major convenience factor to charging at home, you know the charger will always be there available

If there's a free charger nearby that's convenient then by all means go for it, but I'm not sure I'd want to depend on it

There's my electric bike thread on this forum that explains it all. TL;DR - all scooters are illegal on the roads in Ireland. All electric bikes are illegal on the roads in Ireland with the following exception for bikes that have all of the below:

1. a motor of max 250W
2. are only propelled once you pedal yourself (no throttle is allowed, only pedal assist)
3. have a maximum speed of 25km/h at which the motor is allowed to help. You can go faster if you like, but the motor is not allowed to help anymore

The bikes you buy in shops conform to this. On paper at least - most have will show more power than 250W if you would test them, but they won't get you into trouble.

They are not illegal to use on private property, so I'd be careful to remove any ads. Also there are thousands of technically illegal scooters and eBikes on the roads and the Gardai are not enforcing any of this, with new legislation probably in the pipeline to bring the law up to more modern times. If I were you I'd take a relaxed approach here too...

Thanks, makes sense. To be honest I can't comprehend the numbers yet, hence the post. It's all happened a bit too quick for me lol.

CCS is the right one, and indeed it uses up all your charger port. If you were only getting about 11kW from it, there is something seriously wrong though! Try another one if you can find one near you and report back.

Well wear on the Ioniq 5. The base model is one of a handful or so of EVs that are actually good value right now. My sister in law got one at the start of the year.

I'd be interested to hear more people's experiences on charging.

T-bird, was that a full charge?

What is the best way to find prices of a charge at home and on the road?

Charging at home just multiply your unit rate by the number of kWh you want to add to your battery.

On the road Ecars for example are €0.305 for a 50kw charger of €0.37 for a 150kw charger.

Again multiply that by how many kWh you need to complete the journey.

Tesla charge a little more than that, my two (only) charge sessions so far were 36c and 35c/kWh.

Usually the "stronger" the charger the more you'll pay. The AC chargers will be cheaper but slow. DC will be more expensive but will be much quicker to charge.

They actually charged me even though I said no. I'll get it back I'm sure. Currency is CHF which is close enough to EUR

Beside that I must say the charging network in Swiss is just a dream and I think we're at least 10 years behind. Nearly every service station has charging facilities (multiples) and even rest places like below would have "hubs". All the places I stopped had multiple chargers some even multiple networks.

Having a Leaf was sort of "back to the future" moment, because most of the chargers would be 200+kW capable and you're charging at the last charger in a corner at a very old unit at a tenth of the speed. The car was fine, nice interior, quiet, decent power, but stuck in time. Charging with 22kW at 20% SoC never happened to me before. Took moments to realize I had to shift gears to start the car, never figured a way to display the charging rate on the dash and the size of the charging flap made me smile. On the way back I had to drive only 120km from full and it was an absolute relaxing drive. Stopped at golden arches and enjoyed a sundae while charging at "Mc hub" with perfectly designed layout, with all 3 charging standards as outputs. 0.45 CHF kWh and 0.25 CHF per minute after one hour.

I didn't really have time to play with the car as I was there for work and time was a big constrain but I will not be afraid to rent it again should the opportunity arise. The price was same as a manual golf and you really get a higher spec. I'd say though if you don't have experience with EVs you may be in for a surprise.

I think others have given good answers regarding charging power and different prices

Just wanted to echo that it is unfortunately a bit complicated figuring out how quickly your car will need to charge. Basically the charger and car need to agree on how much power to supply to the car at any given time

So for example if your car can support 125kW and you plug into a 150kW charger, you'll only get 125kW. Similarly if you plug into a 50kW charger, you'll only get 50kW because the charger is limited to that

Another fun topic is charging curves. Basically unlike a fossil car, EVs don't charge at a constant rate. They generally charge faster the lower the battery charge, and they slow down as the battery fills up

For home charging it's a lot simpler since the car is stationary overnight. However, if you fully charged the Ioniq 5 77kWh overnight it would need 11 hours, 2 hours longer than the night rate

So charging costs would be more like:

7kW * 9 hours = 63kWh * €0.0695/kWh = €4.38

7kW * 2 hours = 14 kWh * €0.02413/kWh = €3.38

Total €7.76

That should be enough for 350km range easy. So cost per km for home charging is 2.2c/km

Since you mentioned you drive a lot for work, let's try to factor in some DC charging into the costs

Say of the 40,000km driving, you did 10,000km from DC chargers and the rest from home charging. Assuming a year round consumption of 22kWh/100km this means you'll need 8,800kWh per year, of which 2,200 will be from DC chargers

2200kWh * €0.37/kWh = €814 / 10,000km = €0.0814/km

Doing some averaging out gives me a cost per km of 3.7c/km, or a total cost of €1,474 for electricity

For comparison, a diesel car achieving 5l/100km at €2/l would cost €4,000 per year in fuel, or 10c/km

Not bad when you basically get a free holiday out of switching to an EV 😁