Random EV thoughts.....

cannco253 · 23-03-2022 05:50PM

https://twitter.com/tritiumcharging/status/1506020353616846862?s=21

cannco253 · 23-03-2022 07:19PM

https://www.ft.com/content/e33b9f36-ed15-40f6-b4d7-06419907aabc

BP to unveil £1bn boost for UK’s electric car charging points

Pulse superfast network to be expanded in long-awaited infrastructure strategy

“The overall number of chargers needed depends heavily on whether motorists without driveways opt for on-street charging or use charge points at existing fuel stations or in shopping centres to top up, according to two people familiar with the contents.

BP estimates that one superfast charger, which is able to give dozens of miles of range within minutes, will do the work of about 60 overnight chargers located on residential streets.”

First time I’ve seen a comparison like that

Comer1 · 23-03-2022 07:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825372#Comment_118825372

Would having to rely mainly on fast charging lead to faster degradation of the battery?

unkel · 23-03-2022 08:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825413#Comment_118825413

No. Not materially. Not so much that your battery would degrade like mad. Think if you never fast charged, your battery would have about 90% capacity after about 8-10 years. If you always only fast charged, it would be more like 80%. In several countries (like the Netherlands), the majority of new EV buyers do not have home charging.

slave1 · 23-03-2022 10:10PM

There's rakes of early Model S folk in the US that have done nothing but DC charge since Day 1 (well note Day 1 as no SuC existed) and still do to this day. It's why Tesla target the Model S 85 club to get them free SuC folk throttled

ELM327 · 24-03-2022 10:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825413#Comment_118825413

Only in badly made/designed EVs. Like the leaf. Others with active cooling would be fine.

zg3409 · 24-03-2022 12:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825372#Comment_118825372

And if you do the sums, say one 50+kW charger at Tesco, versus 60 AC pillars next to say terrace houses with no driveway, the one larger charger may end up cheaper and users could fill up for 30 minutes during weekly shop, once a week. The 60 users would be 8/9 cars per day at Tesco, based on once a week visit. However if I lived in a house with no home charger I would prefer street chargers for practical reasons. From a providers point of view DC makes more sense than AC. From a drivers point of view charging on street overnight makes owning an EV easier and may be cheaper to fill too.

Supermarkets make more sense for local 30 minute top ups than petrol stations due to parking spaces needed.

liamog · 24-03-2022 01:19PM

I tend to find that our streets without off street parking aren't particular well endowed with pavement space to make on street charging sensible. It's fine in the newer estates which tend towards townhouses, but I don't think you could seriously roll out on street charging in an area like Marino.

RandomViewer · 24-03-2022 01:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828321#Comment_118828321

8/9 cars wouldn't be viable,I'm assuming a big charger with multiple cables is a thing?

the_amazing_raisin · 24-03-2022 05:41PM

On a related note a spotted someone charging their car with the cable running across the pavement until one of those temporary channel things. There's a few folks ready to chance it, or don't know

Not going to give any clues as to who it might be as I don't want to get anyone in trouble with the authorities, but I'm interested to see if they keep doing it or get told to stop

Saw another house that has cut a channel into the pavement and buried a cable going to a camping socket just sticking out of the kerb. I doubt the council got a planning application for that one 😂

NIMAN · 24-03-2022 05:43PM

Once the homeowner has a claim put in against them for someone tripping outside their house, they won't be long removing any cabling.

the_amazing_raisin · 24-03-2022 10:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830120#Comment_118830120

Tbh if you tripped over this thing you probably shouldn't be allowed outside. I know they're against the law and the arguments make sense, but there needs to be a bit of facing up to reality from the planners to try and enable people to charge at home without a driveway

the_amazing_raisin · 24-03-2022 10:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828589#Comment_118828589

I saw an article a while back about an AC charger pole that was literally just a pole with 2 small sockets in the sides, it would be very neat and would take up hardly any room. You could put one between 2 spaces on a small kerb sticking into the road slightly and avoid narrowing the pavement

On the complete opposite end of the scale, I remember some AC chargers got installed in London a while back that were similar size to a payphone and right in the middle of the pavement, probably 50cm to the kerb and 50cm to the wall so no wheelchairs or buggys could get past. And they were all posed around in the photo saying how great it was, whoever did that job needs to be shown the door

NIMAN · 24-03-2022 10:29PM

Accept that, but most court's aren't going to look favourably on someone installing a trip hazard outside their house illegally.

slave1 · 24-03-2022 11:27PM

Stupid court cases, whatever happened to you fall, you get up and move on

NIMAN · 24-03-2022 11:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118831848#Comment_118831848

Believe me, I wish we lived in a world like that.

But bottom line is , you were tripped and possibly injured by someone putting a hazard in your way, illegally. The worst solicitor in the world would get you a pay out in that case.

unkel · 24-03-2022 11:49PM

In Ireland and the USA with the suing culture, sure. There are 10 times as many lawyers as taxi drivers over there 😫 In most other countries you wouldn't have a hope of getting a cent. Or at at least not a cent over actual cost you made because of an accident. Not like that lady who sat down in a restaurant in Dublin recently and banged her knee off a table leg while sitting down, she got a slight bruise. And 30 grand.

markpb · 25-03-2022 06:47AM

Ireland’s compensation culture has nothing to do with this. It’s not your footpath, the cable might be hard to see, it might cause someone to trip and hurt themselves. Just don’t do it.

If you buy an EV and don’t have a driveway, don’t be a d**k, tin don’t make it someone else’s problem - find somewhere legal to charge until the LAs get the finger out and sort out on-street charging.

wassie · 25-03-2022 08:32AM

UK Govt has recognised the shortage of charging infrastructure in UK with a couple of good measures:

"convenient, affordable and reliable charging for all as government commits £1.6 billion to expand UK charging network – with around 300,000 public chargers expected to be available by 2030"
"key barriers to EV driving removed with chargepoint operators legally required to meet rigorous standards, enabling drivers to pay easily and find nearby chargers"

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tenfold-expansion-in-chargepoints-by-2030-as-government-drives-ev-revolution

Further detail on the seocnd point:

"The government is mandating that operators provide real-time data about chargepoints. It is ensuring that consumers can compare prices and seamlessly pay for their charging using contactless cards. They will also be able to use apps to find their nearest available chargepoint."

"These plans will also require a 99% reliability rate at rapid chargepoints to ensure they are world-class and give consumers confidence in finding chargepoints that work wherever they travel – helping eradicate so-called ‘range anxiety’."

Lets hope our Govt can follow the UKs lead here.....

slave1 · 25-03-2022 08:43AM

The Model 3 is a huge seller in the UK (supported by the SuC network) so it’s the people leading the way there

theinferior · 25-03-2022 05:50PM

I have written to several people inside my local authority (Fingal) about allowing homeowners without driveways to pay for the install of a cable channel (or gully) in the footpath outside their houses. So far, no replies from councillors. Not a peep.

Meanwhile in the UK, many Local Authorities are permitting it. For example, see the scheme below:

https://www.centralbedfordshire.gov.uk/info/55/transport_roads_and_parking/1072/on-street_electric_vehicle_charging_pilot/2

NIMAN · 25-03-2022 08:54PM

Important point raised is that the space in front of your house doesn't belong to you either.

You cannot stop other neighbours parking in the space.

cannco253 · 25-03-2022 10:17PM

https://insideevs.com/news/575819/electrify-america-charging-station-future/

So who will be the first to do something like this here? Or would it ever happen?

the_amazing_raisin · 25-03-2022 10:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118836323#Comment_118836323

Best bet would be Circle K or Applegreen, someone who already operates a motorway services and will install their own hub

I like the lounge concept, what you'd need as well is a play area for the kids. Let them work off some energy while the parents take turns in the lounge getting a bit of relaxation

MightyMunster · 26-03-2022 01:00AM

Any public charging I've done in the last 3 years has been a rush to get back to the car as it's charged quicker than I can get to the toilet, order food and eat, with kids I've had to move the car as was over 95% before they were ready

How long are people stopped for? It's usually only 20-30 mins for me at the most.