Just watched that too, @TitianGerm , great minds and all that 😁
Deserves it's own thread:
It's probably to big for me but assuming that's €60-65k here then maybe the ET5 comes as well but at €40-45k? That'd leave room for an ET6 in the €50-55k range.
I'd be all over the ET5 at that sort of money.
If they released a small hatchback at €30-35k it'd fly out of showrooms.
Please, please please come to Ireland and be reasonably priced. It would be a serious market disruptor and would force Tesla, Cupra, VW etc all to reduce prices which would be brilliant for everyone.
I have ordered a home charger and is to be installed well after next. But I'm wondering if it's worth the cost to me of 800 euro + electricity usage or cancel and use the public ones?
I bought an Ioniq 5 58kw on Thursday and have charged it at lidl for free (20%) to see how to use it and today at esb 50kw charger (50%) The duration was 00:53:11 and the energy consumed was 10.270.
The cost for the energy was €(2.75. In addition, a €4.60 overstay fee was applied.) I won't go over 44 mins again. I usually comute between 350 and 400km a week.
If your doing that much a week, Yes get one.
Also get a day/night meter. Charge on night rate. at 9-10c/kwh. Also then its charged and ready to go in the morning.
Did you apply for the €600 grant?
You loaded 10kWh in 53 minutes? I'm afraid you plugged in the wrong connector, you n00b. Sorry, couldn't resist 😂
You connected the AC fast charger instead of the CCS DC fast charger. Your car can only charge at 16A on 3 phase, so max. 11kW. On a 50kW CCS charger, your car can charge at 50kW.
You definitely want s home charger, cheapest EV night rate is around 6.9c/kWh, less than one quarter the cost of a DC charger
At those rates the charger will pay for itself in no time
There's also a major convenience factor to charging at home, you know the charger will always be there available
If there's a free charger nearby that's convenient then by all means go for it, but I'm not sure I'd want to depend on it
Quick question, are electric bicycles & scooters road legal in Ireland?
There's my electric bike thread on this forum that explains it all. TL;DR - all scooters are illegal on the roads in Ireland. All electric bikes are illegal on the roads in Ireland with the following exception for bikes that have all of the below:
The bikes you buy in shops conform to this. On paper at least - most have will show more power than 250W if you would test them, but they won't get you into trouble.
Perfect, thanks.
Getting loads of them being advertised on the Irish EV Owners Buy & Sell page but wanted to be sure they're illegal before I cull the ad.
They are not illegal to use on private property, so I'd be careful to remove any ads. Also there are thousands of technically illegal scooters and eBikes on the roads and the Gardai are not enforcing any of this, with new legislation probably in the pipeline to bring the law up to more modern times. If I were you I'd take a relaxed approach here too...
I did, I got 3 quotes and all in and around 1400 (originally had 1500 by mistake). The one in going for had a 2 week lead time and the other 2 were around 2 months here in Sligo.
Thanks, makes sense. To be honest I can't comprehend the numbers yet, hence the post. It's all happened a bit too quick for me lol.
🤣🤣 I'm certainly a nOOb but I thought it was the right one and thought it said ccs dc and used up all the charger port including the section not used when using type 2. I'll have to have another look next time.
CCS is the right one, and indeed it uses up all your charger port. If you were only getting about 11kW from it, there is something seriously wrong though! Try another one if you can find one near you and report back.
Well wear on the Ioniq 5. The base model is one of a handful or so of EVs that are actually good value right now. My sister in law got one at the start of the year.
Thanks, I'll check out next time and will report back. I wanted the base model but there were none left, so got the next one up and it was there the next day. It's a best of a thing and is a fair jump from the Kona and Leaf I was looking at the week before.
For reference this is the one you want to use when DC fast charging
I used another one last night whilst on way to Dublin
Your charging session at Applegreen Enfield Services, M4 (Eastbound, 2km before Jnct 9), Kildare has ended. The duration was 00:24:53 and the energy consumed was 22.790.
The cost for the energy was €(6.11)
I'd be interested to hear more people's experiences on charging.
T-bird, was that a full charge?
What is the best way to find prices of a charge at home and on the road?
That's more like it. A bit les than 1kWh per minute, so about 50kW, the max of the charger.
Charging at home just multiply your unit rate by the number of kWh you want to add to your battery.
On the road Ecars for example are €0.305 for a 50kw charger of €0.37 for a 150kw charger.
Again multiply that by how many kWh you need to complete the journey.
Ah, now you've wandered into the rabbit hole that is charging costs 😁
Unlike petrol or diesel where the variation across the country is probably less than 10%, the difference between the cheapest and most expensive rates is more like 1000%
(Strictly speaking the cheapest method is at home on solar which is free. But then the price difference is infinity%, so let's just skip that)
For home charging use a price comparison site like bonkers.ie and look for the night rate tariffs. Currently the cheapest night rate is 6.95c/kWh
For public charging it's trickier, because how you pay will dictate the price. For example if I use my We Charge card from VW to start an ESB charger then they add on an extra charge for the hassle of handling all those extra days packets
Also some services offer discount rates in exchange for a monthly subscription. They're only really worth it if you're a frequent user
In general the most commonly used networks in Ireland would be ESB, EasyGo, Tesla and Ionity
ESB charge 27c/kWh for AC chargers, 30c/kWh for 50kW DC chargers, and 37c/kWh for 150kW DC chargers
Ionity on the other hand charge a shocking 73c/kWh, but if you buy certain cars you get a discount
I don't know what Tesla charge, I think it's something like 24c/kWh but obviously it's only useful if you have a Tesla (for now)
Tesla charge a little more than that, my two (only) charge sessions so far were 36c and 35c/kWh.
Thanks, I work on the road so would be doing about €40k a year. Looking to go Electric in the next year or so, trying to suss out the cost/benefit.
Am I right in thinking the difference between these two models so is the battery size?
So say a night rate of 10c would cost €5.80 and €7.30 for a full charge at home?
@the_amazing_raisin, when you say "ESB charge 27c/kWh for AC chargers, 30c/kWh for 50kW DC chargers, and 37c/kWh for 150kW DC chargers", is that different rate to do with how much charge you take, or how fast the charge? I've read there's different rate for charge speed on the road too
Usually the "stronger" the charger the more you'll pay. The AC chargers will be cheaper but slow. DC will be more expensive but will be much quicker to charge.
the battery capacity is measured in kWh and yes the difference of the two Ioniqs is the battery size. It measures the amount of energy one can store in the battery. The rate of charge is measured in kW because it represents how much energy you put in the battery, in the unit of time aka kWh/h =>kW. Yes you got it right prices at one supplier varies depending on the rate of charge or better said power. There is a distinction to be made as chargers are quoted with the maximum power available and not necessarily the power you're going to get. This rate would depend on some factor as battery chemistry, voltage, temperature, state of charge. Here is an interesting article regarding charging of the 2 Ioniqs. Things may be updated since but it is a good start
They actually charged me even though I said no. I'll get it back I'm sure. Currency is CHF which is close enough to EUR
Beside that I must say the charging network in Swiss is just a dream and I think we're at least 10 years behind. Nearly every service station has charging facilities (multiples) and even rest places like below would have "hubs". All the places I stopped had multiple chargers some even multiple networks.
Having a Leaf was sort of "back to the future" moment, because most of the chargers would be 200+kW capable and you're charging at the last charger in a corner at a very old unit at a tenth of the speed. The car was fine, nice interior, quiet, decent power, but stuck in time. Charging with 22kW at 20% SoC never happened to me before. Took moments to realize I had to shift gears to start the car, never figured a way to display the charging rate on the dash and the size of the charging flap made me smile. On the way back I had to drive only 120km from full and it was an absolute relaxing drive. Stopped at golden arches and enjoyed a sundae while charging at "Mc hub" with perfectly designed layout, with all 3 charging standards as outputs. 0.45 CHF kWh and 0.25 CHF per minute after one hour.
I didn't really have time to play with the car as I was there for work and time was a big constrain but I will not be afraid to rent it again should the opportunity arise. The price was same as a manual golf and you really get a higher spec. I'd say though if you don't have experience with EVs you may be in for a surprise.
Can anyone tell me what's right/wrong with this 2015 Zoe?
Looking to get my mother into an EV, and shopping around I'm left with 24kW Leaf's and this Zoe.
Budget is €10k but I could probably stretch it a little (trading in a 2012 Yaris) to land the right car.
I assume it's the 22kWh battery in a 2015 Zoe? Range about 100-120km? Battery Owned, No CCS charging is fine, will only be a run around, but even still, it's a 1 hour to fill car on an AC22.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-zoe-owned-battery-65-kw-88-hp-dynamiqu/27080567\
I think others have given good answers regarding charging power and different prices
Just wanted to echo that it is unfortunately a bit complicated figuring out how quickly your car will need to charge. Basically the charger and car need to agree on how much power to supply to the car at any given time
So for example if your car can support 125kW and you plug into a 150kW charger, you'll only get 125kW. Similarly if you plug into a 50kW charger, you'll only get 50kW because the charger is limited to that
Another fun topic is charging curves. Basically unlike a fossil car, EVs don't charge at a constant rate. They generally charge faster the lower the battery charge, and they slow down as the battery fills up
For home charging it's a lot simpler since the car is stationary overnight. However, if you fully charged the Ioniq 5 77kWh overnight it would need 11 hours, 2 hours longer than the night rate
So charging costs would be more like:
7kW * 9 hours = 63kWh * €0.0695/kWh = €4.38
7kW * 2 hours = 14 kWh * €0.02413/kWh = €3.38
Total €7.76
That should be enough for 350km range easy. So cost per km for home charging is 2.2c/km
Since you mentioned you drive a lot for work, let's try to factor in some DC charging into the costs
Say of the 40,000km driving, you did 10,000km from DC chargers and the rest from home charging. Assuming a year round consumption of 22kWh/100km this means you'll need 8,800kWh per year, of which 2,200 will be from DC chargers
2200kWh * €0.37/kWh = €814 / 10,000km = €0.0814/km
Doing some averaging out gives me a cost per km of 3.7c/km, or a total cost of €1,474 for electricity
For comparison, a diesel car achieving 5l/100km at €2/l would cost €4,000 per year in fuel, or 10c/km
Not bad when you basically get a free holiday out of switching to an EV 😁
You'd probably pick up a 40kWh for 18/19 so seems a bit pricey to me. Pics are terrible, must have been taken on an old Nokia phone.
