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The Canada Convoy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    if you ask the question in the thread on MUP i will answer it there as i don't want to take this thread off topic.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Taoiseach said we wont be so seems like you're making that up.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    I am not sure i fully trust the said taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    It does seem rather ironic that when genuine working class types ( the truckers ) are rising up against the unprecedented expansion of the state, the liberal-left types were for the most part horrified.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    they only approve certain protests like BLM etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭paul71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    its nothing to do with right, left, liberal or eliberal, it's to do with fact and fiction, truth and lies.

    the convoy are made up of people who believe and are spreading misinformation, lies and conspiracy theories.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    that's not unique to elements of the left however, the right are just as good at approving and disapproving of certain protests when those protests don't suit them.

    however sometimes it is okay to disapprove of protests, for example when people are protesting against governments following science and evidence, protesting to try and force governments to follow misinformation, and anti-vax and conspiricy theorist nonsense.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Celticfire


    the convoy are made up of people who believe and are spreading misinformation, lies and conspiracy theories.

    Such as?



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    They are just people who do not want a forced medical shot they are not criminals, they dont want the experimental medicine in their bodies and that is a fundamental choice / right - body autonomy. Canada has 85% vaxxed and they are not allowed out like we are, Mr trudeau is on a major power trip our lot did allow us out once we complied or at least 90% complied but they are still not free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,388 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Don't get into a tizzy about Trudeau. Vaccines programs are run by the Provinces, so he cannot tell them what to do.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/vaccines/provinces-territories-decisions-how-who-when-vaccinate.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    How did I "lose"

    Says alot about your mindset to see it as a game.

    I took my vaccine on advice from the experts that it would seriously slow spread and also result in hospitalisations. They were wrong on the spread part, totally, way way off.

    The vast majority of people under 65 would have took Covid on the chin and ploughed on through regardless of vaccination or not. This point is lost on alot of people. The vaccines were a boon for the elderly and vulnerable - keeping them in the main from serious illness.

    Vaccines should be available firstly for those who need them, secondly for those who want them. Coercing the public into taking vaccines by limiting their access to social life and travel is abhorrent. That many governments in our supposed free and liberal western world is using tactics such as Covid Passes and Mandatory vaccination goes against every thing we are supposed to stand for in a "democratic" society.

    Covid-19 was never a severe enough illness to warrant such measures. I am amazed at how the so-called left of centre liberals support such an authoritarian stance, but it goes to show how folks holding such views can be swayed into believing and supporting measures that should be against every fibre of your being.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Sadly, waving tricolours these days is the indicator for our own home grown nutters, St Patrick's Day excepted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    no they are just loons.

    there wouldn't be forced medical shots in countries if there were no loons or at least not enough of them to actually be a problem still.

    every vaccine has been experimental at one stage, however once approved for use it is generally no longer experimental.

    we are fully free in ireland, everything is open.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,388 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The nutters in Canada were also against Smallpox vaccines.

    By Sept. 2, 1885, the Board of Health in Montréal believed that there were about 2000 cases of smallpox present in the city. By Sept. 28, some experts were estimating 4000 cases. By late September, sanitary police began to forcibly remove people from housing conditions that made isolation impossible, often using harsh tactics, isolating the poor from housing and social support. On Sept. 28, the Board of Health announced that vaccination was to be made compulsory. In response, a “howling mob” surrounded the East End Branch Health Office that evening and “wrecked” the building. Protestors were as concerned with matters of identity as with vaccination, shouting phrases like, “Hurrah for the French-Canadians; Montréal is no longer for the English nor Irish.”

    Constables gathered, but were driven away by the mob. The crowd travelled through the city, smashing windows of pharmacies that sold vaccines and of the homes of health officers. Antivaccine protesters smashed all the windows in the Central Police Station. The Chief of Police was stabbed and stoned, though he survived. Rioters fired at police, and police escalated their tactics in an attempt to disperse the mob. They armed themselves with rifles and bayonets, firing above the heads of the crowd. Finally, they began clubbing the rioters, causing them to break into groups that continued the destruction of property, damaging various buildings.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iv been watching some clips on YouTube and I say about damn time the people stand up to these basterds that's elected.

    Canadians have a pair of balls unlike some.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Well you obviously have an opinion on it and the EU has not prevented you for doing so..... When you start with such a delusion, it's hard to take you seriously after that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road





    they were correct on the spread, it did slow it down, even the current varient would have spread faster and further but for the vaccines.

    even if it was the case that the vast majority of undr 65s would have took covid on the chin and ploughed on, it would have failed and crashed the whole country so we had to be restricted to keep the country going.

    the only reason there is manditary vaccination in some countries with encouragement in others, is because of the anti-vax brigade and because those who refuse to get vaccinated are more likely to end up in hospital when it would have been avoided, therefore in turn making things difficult for others who need to access services, so therefore that minority have to be forced to grow up some way.

    covid 19 was severe enough when uncontrolled to require controlling, because it crashes countries systems and in turn causes problems elsewhere in the chain which would have eventually effected the rest of us, and that i am afraid, was not going to be allowed to happen here because we would have been in actual deep crap with an actual   crashed economy, health system and more.

    facts are facts and when facts are relayed with supporting evidence then generally the majority of people understand that what has to be done has to be done, and that is why people did their bit and why people like you thankfully failed to undermine everything.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Of course I'm making it up, it's an opinion about what might happen in the future. I can't factcheck the future like thejournal.

    I believe the Taoiseach said he prefers the voluntary approach, on a personal level. I don't equate that with saying that he won't in future when vaccination rates lower to similar as Austria. It might not be as preferable then.

    Besides, best and preferable decisions might not be the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Well this guy discovered that they arent a bunch of racist , conspiracy "loons" after all





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    And what are you doing? Are your protesting from your armchair at home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Celticfire


    What are the lies, misinformation and conspiracy theories that they are spreading? I already quoted where you said that the convoy was made up of these people. The "such as ? " was in relation to your statement that they are spreading lies, misinformation and conspiracy theories. What are they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    In my opinion they will lower as time goes on, as people get more comfortable with living with covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Ireland isnt suggesting mandatory vaccinations so no big deal really

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    I would have always thought Canadians had a bit more cop on than the Yanks when it came to populist nonsense like this but that clown Rob Fords time as mayor of Toronto was a warning sign.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    just goes to show no matter how liberal a government there is always some self centered crackpot who demands that the government serve his specific demands and his demands only,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    We would be in the EXACT same position as a year ago with just vaccines. Omicron is what saved us.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's absolutely not true, deaths and severe illness from COVID drastically dropped as a result of the vaccine. Severe illness with COVID is now primarily with unvaccinated (hence them accounting for a disproportionate amount of ICU cases) and that's been the case throughout Delta.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    There are plenty of extremely public folks in the US who are pro-vaccine, but anti-mandate. Heck, even Trump counts as such a person. To claim that all the truckers are anti-vaxxers (Has anyone actually conducted a survey?) seems to fly in the case of known behaviour. Up until now, there has never been a province in Canada which has mandated that everyone receive any vaccine, experimental or otherwise, from what research I can find. Only three provinces even require mandatory vaccinations to be enrolled in public schools (Ottawa, Manitoba, New Brunswick), and even then you can refuse to vaccinate your kid "out of conscience", the mandate really just permits denial of access during an outbreak. And, of course, homeschooling is not unusual in Canada.

    I'm not sure about Canada, but I think it's a general rule that doctors cannot force someone to take a medical treatment or process without their consent, even if it would save their life. Even bearing in mind the public policy benefits to vaccinations to prevent onward transmission, that general rule is still a pretty strong one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Well... To be accurate. It's more unpleasant for some. Most people are asymptomatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Well done OP on calling out what you deem ‘MSM’ on Borads. The BBC listened to you and have it as their top news story. They even demoted a much more newsworthy story of a potential war in Ukraine that the British may end up dragged into. Three cheers for the OP!!!

    State of emergency in Ottawa now. It should make for interesting reading. Will there be rioting and looting? It’s reported that there are already racist signs, people being attached for wearing masks, and hate crimes. Looks to be another excuse for extremists to push their higher agenda rather than an issue with vaccinations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Imagine being pro mandate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Over time you'd expect it to drift down towards the flu vaccine rates, as targeting of it would likely be vulnerable groups, like the over 65s. Booster rates will not come anywhere close to the original programme level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    I'd say you are taking the piss now...... anyway i had a local anesthetic & small medical procedure today and i had to sign a consent form. I think that should be the way for the vax too then we could all feel a little less dominated. I think the idea that elected officials who do have a sell by date making decisions on our body automony is just now sitting well with some people. After all they are all only an election a way from being nobodies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    First paragraph was tongue in cheek, second paragraph was not.

    Mandatory vaccines are not coming to Ireland, so you don’t need to worry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    What's going on elsewhere does not apply to us at all and we will continue to have voluntary vaccinations. Some countries have dug themselves into a hole with mandatory vaccines but they may get away with it because of public support for a hard line on vaccination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Do the public support it in Canada? Or restrictions in general?

    Seeing as most of Europe and elsewhere are beginning to relax and signalling that the pandemic phase is coming to an end, its hard to justify all these restrictions or mandatory vaccinations/quarantines in Canada - that btw is what the truck convoy began over, requests that all truckers quarantined after crossing CAN-US border, which would have been a logistical nightmare.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Please provide the studies that say you're more likely to develop omicron if vaccinated. On top of that, the viral peak lasts longer in the unvaccinated so they tend to spread it for longer than the vaccinated.


    Very interested in seeing that study now cause it's a substantial claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    General government support during the pandemic, which does kind of give them carte blanche. The support levels to Austria and France for this type of measure. I don't think it is a CT to suggest that if our powers that be had viewed it as being required the public too would have backed them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Some Canada guy was talking about the Trucker convoy of peace and love on Radio 1 this morning. Two things he said stood out. The vast majority of Canadians don't support the Truckers- a blatant lie.

    Most the the Truckers are not real Truckers- another disgraceful lie.

    The establishment loving modern leftists belief that people are fools gives them the audacity to lie and fabricate whatever falsehood they need to further their agenda. This is why CNNs ratings are in the toilet. People hate being lied to and thats exactly what this clown did live on air this morning. The narrative has to be controlled at all costs.

    Of course there was no mention of the indoctrinated left wing terrorist who drove his car into the protesters of peace and love. That story wasn't touched by MSM.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Aren’t something like 80% of Canadians fully vaccinated? Can’t imagine those who have gotten their “shots” supporting the vax evaders.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    People were called conspiracy nutjobs when they expressed concerns many moons ago that vaccines would become mandatory. People like you called them tinfoilers. And now here we have mandatory vaccines in Austria and people like you are back-peddling saying "we don't have vaccine mandates in Ireland you CT nutters" Vaccine mandates are happening and you are still calling those people who express concern CT-ers, as if the mandates AREN'T happening and are just a figment of people's imaginations. Why are you calling what is happening before your very eyes "nonsense"? Do you think the smoking ban happened everywhere instantaneously? It was first implemented in Ireland in 2005. It didn't happen in The Netherlands until 3 years later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It seems alot of support is coming from groups using crowd funding in the states which would suggest freedom loving trump supporters



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    the comment on CNN is not random they cant make the numbers they had when trump was in & revenue is haemorraging CNN ( clearly not news) are not able to get the listenership of Joe Rogan and are very jealous thence the hachet job they are trying to do on him too . They need to clean up their own shop all screwing each other literally......full of sexual misconduct, a den of vipers . CNN the voice of the liberals what dirty bastards they are proving to be!!



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