Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

The Canada Convoy

1356719

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    No suggestion needed, there were Trump flags and US flags being carried around and reports of confederate flags and swastikas, but I saw one swastika in the background of an interview, which could be an isolated thing. Gofundme also blocked a fundraising attempt in the States from using their platform.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It is a tad since they brought up CNN. Eg he was referring to a segment on rte radio 1. We're in Ireland, the vast majority of us don't tend to use CNN as our primary source of news. And the irony is that the previous poster lied and claimed the majority of the Canadian public support the convoy. (Neither of my sources were CNN)


    You have a pretty clear agenda but so far you and the other posters in this thread read like the conspiracy theories forum. There's been numerous examples of posters coming out with claims and not backing them up when they're asked for proof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    i think the truckers are fantastic and a real inspiration...and to stand their ground in such freezing temperatures. well done to all. it looks like the gov will do all in their power to try and antagonise them into violence at this stage, so hopefully they don't fall for the bait. trudeau is a disgrace running and hiding from his population..hopefully the rest of canada will now see the true colours of the guy they elected.

    for all those who are against his demonstration and want to see a harsh government response, then ok, we're in a free society(or at least have been up to now) and it's ok to have your opinion...however what will happen when you decide to protest on something close to your heart and you're not allowed? that's the path you are paving for belittling and putting these demonstrations down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Are you still hoarding enough toilet paper to wrap around the Eiffel Tower?



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Forcing people to take a vaccine because they might get sick and take up hospital resources is a fcuking Orwellian argument. And it's amazing how many people actually think it's valid. How about you and your kids are all forced to have your appendix and tonsils removed because they might become inflamed and you and your brats wind up in a precious hospital bed that could go to someone a bit more deserving than selfish people such as yourselves. And if you develop complications or the operations are botched just suck it up. You might develop testicular cancer so how's about we lop off your balls as well? Although judging by how easy you march in lockstep it doesn't sound like you have any.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Orwellian the most overused and misused of terms... This could be like a game of bingo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I am Canadian and I disagree with the way these protests are done. I also believe that the majority of Canadians don't agree with these protesters, also I don't believe that the majority of the Canadian truck drivers agree with the protesters as well.

    Canada's vaccine uptake was very very high, even though the government, federal as well as provincial didn't really do a good job in the pandemic, - early snap election last year included.

    This kind of convoy protest is very un-Canadian, and I think it's done by a small minority, which is driven to do this by their right wing friends in the US, close to Donald Trump's circles and other conspiracy theory minded individuals, like QAnon, etc...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'Here are some examples of what groupthink can lead to. Stuff that is more likely to happen among Conspiracy Theorists, than normal people.'

    Except that anyone not in a coma has observed groupthink in action, of the bluntest and most block-headed kind imaginable, amongst a section of the Irish public over the last two years.

    The sulking, the bitterness, the refusal to consider other points of view, the unwillingness to take exceptions into account (not everyone is in a position to just abandon their elderly parents to isolation), the incuriosity about why people were declining vaccination. Just a wall of ignorance and intolerance.

    Whenever I look back on these years I will picture a sour office drone working from home and bashing out on their keyboard 'Why can't you just STAy at HOME!!! FFS!! Muppets!!'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The Austrian Health Minister has said the Austrian's government's own constitutional lawyers may veto the mandvax. They will make it very easy for themselves should they decide to climb down from their hard-line stance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Thousands have come out all over Canada in support of the convoy. The optical evidence is available in abundance. $9m has been raised as a gesture of support also. . Where's your evidence that the majority don't agree with the protest?

    Btw , most truckers are already vaxed. They are protesting most of all mandatory vaccination for children. This is why they have so much support , not only in Canada , but from all over the world.



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I linked to polling on where the public stand in relation to it... You just ignored it. 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Those finding aren't directly linked to the current convoy. I ignored it because its a dishonest correlation.


    Our findings indicate that a majority of Canadians support most of the measures that have been employed by federal and provincial governments aimed at preventing the transmission of COVID-19. In most cases support has remained relatively stable since the beginning of the pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Thousands, I believe they are or were initially 18000, are still a very very small minority in Canada. This "freedom" convoy has been strongly condemned by associations representing truck drivers. Yes the vast majority of truck drivers are vaccinated, but many protesters have also no connection to truck driving. I think they are funded from far right groups in the US, also the confederate flag has been seen and even nazi style swastikas.

    They have also been desecrating the tomb of the unknown soldier, the national war memorial and a statue of Terry Fox.

    The problem you have as well in Canada is that Trudeau and the federal government doesn't have too much say, but a lot is down to provincial politics and provincial premieres who are fearing an election result, - such as Ford in Ontario. This always led to a federal - provincial debate.

    Also at the same time some Covid 19 travel restrictions are ridiculous, such as testing before and after arrival for vaccinated travellers arriving from countries other than the US, causing rediculously long queues with infection risks at airports especially at Pearson in Toronto, but this has no real impact on truck driving.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I haven’t done any back pedalling at all. Show where I took an advanced position and went back on it. Back up your claim!

    As for calling someone a CT’ist…. “If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck”. The CT forum here is full of people coming out with very similar stuff. Are they all correct?



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20


    yeah, the money was frozen cause its been organised by white-supremacist Pat King and his side-kick made off with $1M and went to ground.

    lots of the "truckers" taking food from the homeless by showing up to soup kitchens etc and demanding food. Lovely bunch.

    Nazi flags and confederate flags being flown by some of them too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    If this kind of **** shows up at a protest and the other protestors are fine with it, you know exactly what kind of protest it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20



    Tamara Lich and B.J. Dichter, listed as the organizers of the movement’s GoFundMe page which has amassed more than 6 million dollars in donations, are not truckers.

    Lich, who lives in Medicine Hat, Alberta, served as an organizer for Yellow Vests Canada, an organization associated with members of Canada’s ‘far-right’ movement that often spews anti-muslim racism. She is currently working as secretary for the Maverick party, a fringe political party in Alberta whose initial aim was to separate from Canada. She’s also been known to share Islamaphobic conspiracy theories on her social media pages and make anti-muslim comments as well.

    “Canadians, are you paying attention yet? … We do not want the Muslim Brotherhood in Canada.”, Lich posted on Facebook

    B.J. Dichter, a supporter of the anti-immigrant far-right People’s Party of Canada, shares Lich’s sentiments on Muslims. In 2019, he claimed that “Despite what our corporate media and political leaders want to admit, Islamist entryism and the adaptation of political Islam is rotting away at our society like syphilis.”



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    A cliche such as what you put forth? You are attempting to label people, and doing it with slogans and then looking to the gallery for smirks and thanks.

    People, 12 months, maybe more ago, expressed concerns that forced vaccinations were on the cards. They were called conspiracy theory nutcases. Were you one who might have barked out that label?

    Maybe...maybe not. But now forced vaccinations are being introduced. Someone expresses concern and you answer is that it's in Austria, and if one thinks it might become au fait elsewhere then they should just take their concerns to the "Conspiracy Theory" forum?



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    It appears that it all boils down to a simple schism.

    Those who want to have a choice about their bodies and those who don't want them to have such a luxury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Mandatory vaccines are not coming to Ireland? Do you know this for a fact? How much would you wager on your certain assertion? Do you have proof that it won't happen? If not then all you have is conjecture.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Sure by that argument, all cork GAA fans are right wing loons, as they often have a few Confederate flags amongst the fans



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Find it strange all the folks who dismiss anti mandate as anti-vax, and feel they shouldn't have antonomy over their body are the same people who will use body antonomy to support abortion...

    I'm someone who opposes compulsory vaccines and supports the right to abortion and I'm currently doubled Vaxxed



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    These guys are all nutjobs according to the experts on here. This bloke went out and talked to them:

    I live in downtown Ottawa, right in the middle of the trucker convoy protest. They are literally camped out below my bedroom window. My new neighbours moved in on Friday and they seem determined to stay. I have read a lot about what my new neighbours are supposedly like, mostly from reporters and columnists who write from distant vantage points somewhere in the media heartland of Canada. Apparently the people who inhabit the patch of asphalt next to my bedroom are white supremacists, racists, hatemongers, pseudo-Trumpian grifters, and even QAnon-style nutters. I have a perfect view down Kent Street – the absolute ground zero of the convoy. In the morning, I see some protesters emerge from their trucks to stretch their legs, but mostly throughout the day they remain in their cabs honking their horns. At night I see small groups huddled in quiet conversations in their new found companionship. There is no honking at night. What I haven’t noticed, not even once, are reporters from any of Canada’s news agencies walking among the trucks to find out who these people are. So last night, I decided to do just that – I introduced myself to my new neighbours.

    The Convoy on Kent Street. February 2, 2022.

    At 10pm I started my walk along – and in – Kent Street. I felt nervous. Would these people shout at me? My clothes, my demeanour, even the way I walk screamed that I’m an outsider. All the trucks were aglow in the late evening mist, idling to maintain warmth, but all with ominously dark interiors. Standing in the middle of the convoy, I felt completely alone as though these giant monsters weren’t piloted by people but were instead autonomous transformer robots from some science fiction universe that had gone into recharging mode for the night. As I moved along I started to notice smatterings of people grouped together between the cabs sharing cigarettes or enjoying light laughs. I kept quiet and moved on. Nearby, I spotted a heavy duty pickup truck, and seeing the silhouette of a person in the driver’s seat, I waved. A young man, probably in his mid 20s, rolled down the window, said hello and I introduced myself. His girlfriend was reclined against the passenger side door with a pillow to proper her up as she watched a movie on her phone. I could easily tell it’s been an uncomfortable few nights. I asked how they felt and I told them I lived across the street. Immediate surprise washed over the young man’s face. He said, “You must hate us. But no one honks past 6pm!” That’s true. As someone who lives right on top of the convoy, there is no noise at night. I said, “No, I don’t hate anyone, but I wanted to find out about you.” The two were from Sudbury Ontario, having arrived on Friday with the bulk of the truckers. I ask what they hoped to achieve, and what they wanted. The young woman in the passenger seat moved forward, excited to share. They said that they didn’t want a country that forced people to get medical treatments such as vaccines. There was no hint of conspiracy theories in their conversation with me, not a hint of racist overtones or hateful demagoguery. I didn’t ask them if they had taken the vaccine, but they were adamant that they were not anti-vaxers.

    The next man I ran into was standing in front of the big trucks at the head of the intersection. Past middle age and slightly rotund, he had a face that suggests a lifetime of working outdoors. I introduced myself and he told me we was from Cochrane, Ontario. He also proudly pointed out that he was the block captain who helped maintain order. I thought, oh no, he might be the one person keeping a lid on things; is it all that precarious? I delicately asked how hard his job was to keep the peace but I quickly learned that’s not really what he did. He organized the garbage collection among the cabs, put together snow removal crews to shovel the sidewalks and clear the snow that accumulates on the road. He even has a salting crew for the sidewalks. He proudly bellowed in an irrepressible laugh “We’re taking care of the roads and sidewalks better than the city.” I waved goodbye and continued to the next block.

    My next encounter was with a man dressed in dark blue shop-floor coveralls. A wiry man of upper middle age, he seemed taciturn and stood a bit separated from the small crowd that formed behind his cab for a late night smoke. He hailed from the Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia. He owned his own rig, but he only drove truck occasionally, his main job being a self-employed heavy duty mechanic. He closed his shop to drive to Ottawa, because he said, “I don’t want my new granddaughter to live in a country that would strip the livelihood from someone for not getting vaccinated.” He introduced me to the group beside us. A younger crowd, I can remember their bearded faces, from Athabasca, Alberta, and Swift Current Saskatchewan. The weather had warmed, and it began to rain slightly, but they too were excited to tell me why they came to Ottawa. They felt that they needed to stand up to a government that doesn’t understand what their lives are like. To be honest, I don’t know what their lives are like either – a group of young men who work outside all day with tools that they don’t even own. Vaccine mandates are a bridge too far for them. But again, not a hint of anti-vax conspiracy theories or deranged ideology.

    I made my way back through the trucks, my next stop leading me to a man of East Indian descent in conversation with a young man from Sylvan Lake, Alberta. They told me how they were following the news of O’Toole’s departure from the Conservative leadership and that they didn’t like how in government so much power has pooled into so few hands.

    The rain began to get harder; I moved quickly through the intersection to the next block. This time I waved at a driver in one of the big rigs. Through the rain it was hard to see him, but he introduced himself, an older man, he had driven up from New Brunswick to lend his support. Just behind him some young men from Gaspésie, Quebec introduced themselves to me in their best English. At that time people started to notice me – this man from Ottawa who lives across the street – just having honest conversations with the convoy. Many felt a deep sense of abuse by a powerful government and that no one thinks they matter.

    Behind the crowd from Gaspésie sat a stretch van, the kind you often see associated with industrial cleaners. I could see the shadow of a man leaning out from the back as he placed a small charcoal BBQ on the sidewalk next to his vehicle. He introduced himself and told me he was from one of the reservations on Manitoulin Island. Here I was in conversation with an Indigenous man who was fiercely proud to be part of the convoy. He showed me his medicine wheel and he pointed to its colours, red, black, white, and yellow. He said there is a message of healing in there for all the human races, that we can come together because we are all human. He said, “If you ever find yourself on Manitoulin Island, come to my reserve, I would love to show you my community.” I realized that I was witnessing something profound; I don’t know how to fully express it.

    As the night wore on and the rain turned to snow, those conversations repeated themselves. The man from Newfoundland with his bullmastiff, a young couple from British Columbia, the group from Winnipeg that together form what they call “Manitoba Corner ” all of them with similar stories. At Manitoba Corner a boisterous heavily tattooed man spoke to me from the cab of his dually pickup truck – a man who had a look that would have fit right in on the set of some motorcycle movie – pointed out that there are no symbols of hate in the convoy. He said, “Yes there was some clown with a Nazi flag on the weekend, and we don’t know where he’s from, but I’ll tell you what, if we see anyone with a Nazi flag or a Confederate flag, we’ll kick his **** teeth in. No one’s a Nazi here.” Manitoba Corner all gave a shout out to that.

    As I finally made my way back home, after talking to dozens of truckers into the night, I realized I met someone from every province except PEI. They all have a deep love for this country. They believe in it. They believe in Canadians. These are the people that Canada relies on to build its infrastructure, deliver its goods, and fill the ranks of its military in times of war. The overwhelming concern they have is that the vaccine mandates are creating an untouchable class of Canadians. They didn’t make high-falutin arguments from Plato’s Republic, Locke’s treatises, or Bagehot’s interpretation of Westminster parliamentary systems. Instead, they see their government willing to push a class of people outside the boundaries of society, deny them a livelihood, and deny them full membership in the most welcoming country in the world; and they said enough. Last night I learned my new neighbours are not a monstrous faceless occupying mob. They are our moral conscience reminding us – with every blow of their horns – what we should have never forgotten: We are not a country that makes an untouchable class out of our citizens.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    The fact that they don't want to be pushed against their will makes them "loons"?

    Is a woman who doesn't want to be forced to have an abortion or a woman who want's the choice....are they loons because a certain segment insists they do as they are told regardless of their own free will?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the taoiseach and deputy have said it's not going to happen.

    it's not going to happen no matter how much conspiracy mumbojumbo people spout.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Good for you. And do you want to know why that is? Because you can THINK for yourself and you think that others can do the same.

    There are people out there who think that a vaccine will "chip" them or that Covid is a 5G side effect or some other such silliness. And that's fine. But please don't lump somebody who simply wants to exercise their choice with somebody who thinks a vaccine will turn you into a lizard.

    Sadly, one sees it all the time. A person decides that they don't wish to have something injected into their body. That person isn't standing on a street corner screaming "you're all going to turn in to triffids". By the same token people who have chosen to take a vaccine are actually just as virulent regarding those who decide not to become vaccinated.

    The argument is "if you don't get vaccinated you might get sick and take up a hospital bed". People who don't want a vaccinated. .many of them are worried that it might make them sick for the rest of their lives or possibly even kill them.

    So to the guy who demands that they get vaccinated because they could make YOU sick as opposed to them not wanting to be vaccinated because they THEMSELVES might get sick.....What makes YOUR fears more important than theirs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    So you can’t back up what you said about me. Right so.

    Are you so driven by thanks that you think everyone else is?

    Post edited by Fighting Tao on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I’m applying logic. There is no reason why Covid vaccination would become mandatory at this stage.



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Also still not seeing much evidence that posters aren't crazy conspiracy theorists tbh. Very little too differentiate this thread from CT forum.


    I'll also repeat, we would not be exiting this pandemic if it weren't for people getting the vaccine. This is why the unvaccinated account for a disproportionate number of ICU cases. On top of that, the unvaccinated are still more likely to spread it due to the peak viral load lasting longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,579 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    So no conflict here with Danno being a Mod of Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators

    no wonder this sh$te site is dying

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    So, I'm not allowed an opinion on anything?

    I'm against mandates, no bother if someone wants to make the choice to have a vaccine. It really isn't that hard to understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I guess homeopathy and science are grouped together hence the "science" part of the title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The hardline stance taken by the provincial governments was always going to suck in all kinds of malcontents and dubious groups with their own agendas. It's nature of protesting these days, like flies around the proverbial. That doesn't mean that it doesn't include more civic minded people who support vaccinations, but are very unhappy at this targeting of specific groups. Op-ed piece here on CNN, author is Canadian.




  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    So what do the "Scientists" @end of the road and - @Annasopra think of this



    Is he a far right transphobic bigot ??

    is he misled ?

    Post edited by cannonballTaffyOjones on


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    It's a common tactic for those against protests to show a tiny % of people who may be racist etc to discredit the whole protest.

    Go fund me can go **** itself too. Hope a competitor is set up and the donations flow in again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    givesendgo account just coming up on 6 million! theyd be better off protesting over the cost of running transport, over something as stupid as this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    Yes how DARE Danno have a different opinion then yours!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    How that Austrian mandate works out is still not clear. The present incumbents inherited the strategy from the previous government and all it is for now is a threat of fines from March. It may also be subject to legal challenges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I did my own research, and what you are dismissing as silliness is actually true. There are 5G chips in the vaccine. Don't be surprised if people dismiss your arguments as silliness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...will this mean i get better phone reception?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I can't believe Canada is going through the equivalent of the Beer Hall Putsch by these truck driving Nazis, why can't they understand that you can have all the freedom you want so long as you just do what you're told?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Aren't the Muslim Brotherhood a proscribed terrorist organisation? Why is not wanting them in your country a black mark against her? Are you in support of terrorist organisations??



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    IF they said the sky was blue I'd look up. They've said a lot of things throughout Covid only to backtrack.


    From Jan 10th 2022: Ireland’s National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) will consider introducing a vaccine mandate following the release of an upcoming paper by the Department of Health on the issue’s complexities.

    According to newly released minutes from a meeting of the group in mid-December, “NPHET will discuss the issue of mandatory vaccination at a later date and this discussion will be facilitated by a forthcoming paper from the DOH on the relevant ethical and legal considerations pertaining to this topic.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    As my brother said to me a year ago.

    This will stop when they stop testing for it. And that's exactly what happened. They eased off on testing and now it in retreat.

    Anyone saying that vaccinations stop the spread need to get in their house and see how quickly its spreads.

    It went through our home like wildfire and were all vaxxed. So I'm sry your talking out through your hoop.

    Do they limit severe illness. Probably. Hard to tell when most people took the vaccines anyways.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    When the Eu send the envelope and TELLS them to mandate similar to Austrai they have no choice but to do what they are told. More vaccines are coming shot 4 & 5 yet to come.


    Irony " my body my choice for abortion" &" my body not my choice ( the governments choice via EU diktat )for a forced mandated vaccine.

    Thats it in a nutshell if you disagree with this statement you are a CT & not just a logical thinking person. What more can you say, the best retort is to fill up the jails for non payment of fines. 1 million less folk took the booster so a million in the jails would fairly **** up the system. As to believing the government when they say something USC was for 2 years .....12 years on its still there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12



    it's also common for government to use agent provacateurs these days eg ray epps on jan 6th

    Cruz Asks Asst. FBI Director: 'How Many FBI Agents Were Confidential Informants' During Jan. 6 Riot?





  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,025 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Not really hard to tell when there is a disproportionate number of unvaccinated in ICU.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



Advertisement