The Canada Convoy

Fighting Tao · 08-02-2022 11:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598998#Comment_118598998

It was in our house twice. Both times it came from crèche after Xmas. However, there were no vaccines the first time and everyone got it. There were vaccines the second time (with booster) a few weeks ago, and only the child that was infected in crèche got it.

bertiebomber · 08-02-2022 11:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599063#Comment_118599063

Good result but you chose to take the vaccine, all i want is the option to choose, nothing more and that option wont be there we will be told. Mark my words our government are merely office workers for the main office which is the EU.

Mr. teddywinkles · 08-02-2022 11:47am

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2022 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599050#Comment_118599050

Did the EU send an envelope to Austria? Who in the EU will be sending envelopes?

Fighting Tao · 08-02-2022 11:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599076#Comment_118599076

You were doing well until you launched into the “main office” conspiracy. What is the conspiracy? Who benefits? Why would people who are elected TD’s (and can be unelected by not getting enough votes) suddenly work for the “main office”?

You could get elected, and be part of forming a government. How does the switch trigger, and you end up working for the “main office”? Do you forget who you are or something?

08-02-2022 12:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598998#Comment_118598998

It's absolutely verifiable that the vaccine limits serious illness. Unvaccinated account for disproportionate number of ICU cases and that's reflected globally. You can literally see a drop off in deaths after vaccinations kicked off.

Wibbs · 08-02-2022 12:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599173#Comment_118599173

Yep. The figures are pretty clear on this. Now omicron will 'vaccinate' everyone pretty much. Unless a variant arises that's radically different enough to evade immunity and far more injurious covid 19 is effectively over and unless you were very old, already very sick, or bloody unlucky, it wasn't the mass killer that had us in a panic. Thankfully. Hopefully it's a one in a lifetime pandemic, because if an actual mass killer comes along in a few years, covid fatigue could have it spread like wildfire.

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2022 12:40pm

Still a mass killer in America.

"Feb 4 (Reuters) - The coronavirus pandemic reached a grim new milestone in the United States on Friday with the nation's cumulative death toll from COVID-19 surpassing 900,000, even as the daily number of lives lost has begun to level off, according to data collected by Reuters.

The latest tally marks an increase of more than 100,000 U.S. COVID-19 fatalities since Dec. 12, coinciding with a surge of infections and hospitalizations driven by the highly contagious Omicron variant of the virus."

Viruses and other infections coming from the animal world will not go away. There is a grim history from the Black Death to AIDS and now Covid. But unlike in the past we have the science now to deal with them.

bertiebomber · 08-02-2022 12:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599097#Comment_118599097

just a term of expression dont be a cnut!

Wibbs · 08-02-2022 12:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599346#Comment_118599346

Yes and no. We have the science, but capacity would be the problem. If something with the virulence of smallpox came out of another Chinese wet market in two years time it would make covid 19 look like ice cream and cake and would take around a year get a vaccine into arms. By which time the death and injury toll would be crazy high. Even covid which is one of the mildest pandemics in world history and one we have effective against serious illness vaccines for is as you point out still killing the old, sick, fat and bloody unlucky.

Though America was always going to be grim. A nation where medical bills are the overwhelming majority of personal bankruptcy fillings and just calling an ambulance could cost you thousands if you're not insured. Great place to be ill if you're well insured and/or well off, a shít place to be if you're not.

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2022 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599400#Comment_118599400

Vaccination policy is left to each member state to decide. That is why Austria was able to do their own thing.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/questions-and-answers-covid-19-vaccination-eu_en#vaccination

EU law does not require compulsory vaccination. Vaccination, mandatory or otherwise, is a Member State competence.

However, the Commission continues to call on all eligible citizens to ensure they get their full vaccination against COVID-19. Full vaccination offers the best protection against the virus and its variants, including the Delta variant, and its transmissibility.

This is especially important for the most vulnerable, and those who are at high risk of catching and transmitting the virus.

If we want to beat the variants it is absolutely crucial to proceed with vaccinations and ensure that as many as possible are fully vaccinated. Scientific studies show that full vaccination offers good protection against the variants.

riffmongous · 08-02-2022 1:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598132#Comment_118598132

That's the 3rd time it's been posted.. is it doing the rounds on telegram or something?

growleaves · 08-02-2022 1:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598705#Comment_118598705

There's a heavy reliance on guilt by association.

Why do Irish people lap it up? As usual Irish people are babes innocently accepting everything that is placed before them.

The US and Canadian media are themselves political activists, pro-mandate and will do everything they can to represent the convoy as tiny and illegitimate.

08-02-2022 1:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599545#Comment_118599545

Some amount of conspiracy theories about the cover up of public opinion...

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2022 1:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599545#Comment_118599545

Some of those who believed the nonsense about vaccines paid with their lives.

growleaves · 08-02-2022 1:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599567#Comment_118599567

Claiming media bias is a conspiracy theory?

Many media outlets are explicitly political, ie the Irish Times ran an editorial a few years ago calling itself an "activist newspaper" (when Geraldine Kennedy was editor).

I don't think there are too many people who regard CNN or the Washington Post as neutral, dispassionate observers.

growleaves · 08-02-2022 1:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599575#Comment_118599575

Are you pro-mandate? Because that's what's at issue.

It could be argued that the mandates themselves create suspicion around the vaccines. Using force, dis-employing people looks really really bad.

08-02-2022 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599593#Comment_118599593

I'll refer you to the poll on the topic I cited earlier. I would say that's a hell of a lot more reliable than your gut instinct on the topic. So no, I don't believe the Canadian press are conspiring to misrepresent public support etc.

https://abacusdata.ca/freedom-convoy-public-reaction-february-2022/

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2022 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599593#Comment_118599593

What you think about them is your own opinion. Don't transfer that on to other people.

Dohnjoe · 08-02-2022 1:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599050#Comment_118599050

Austria has a vaccine mandate largely because of anti-vaxxers. The far-right is popular in the country, and as such vaccine uptake has been lower than neighbours, clogging the hospitals with people needlessly dying due to disinformation. The Austrian government decided they had enough of that ****.

I am sorry you were a little sick after your 2nd jab, I was sick as **** after my booster. Covid on the other hand has killed millions of people, and we still don't understand the effects of long-term Covid. If you had been intubated in ICU like countless people you wouldn't be complaining about being a little sick after the vaccine.

The minority of truckers in Canada are morons and don't speak for the vast majority who support common sense measures. It takes a special kind of idiot to oppose wearing a mask or getting a vaccine during a global pandemic.

growleaves · 08-02-2022 1:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599615#Comment_118599615

You're talking past me.

What does a poll of people's attitudes have to do with my point about the media?

08-02-2022 1:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599631#Comment_118599631

The negative perception is one the public hold by default. If the protesters choose to go out with confederate flags. The Canadian public and the rest of the world will reinforce their view of them as loons of a particular variety. The fact that the right are rallying around this is a pretty big sign too tbh. Plenty of posters in this thread who tend to adore trump etc. It's a pretty clear mentality.

Starfire20 · 08-02-2022 1:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598959#Comment_118598959

nice deflection. I do not support terrorists. i think the point being made was that it's laughable that the muslim brotherhood would somehow be active in Canada let alone some sort of major force. just more meat for the base i guess.

on the other hand, do you support or sympathize with white supremacists and/or neo-nazis ?

the protest was organised by one..

Fandymo · 08-02-2022 1:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599567#Comment_118599567

Hardly conspiracy theories now are they? Look at any of the housing protests in Dublin a few years ago. RTE and media reporting hundreds etc when every Facebook/drone video of the marches showed huge masses, literally thousands, of people.

RTE made a profit in 2020 because they were getting paid to push government ads, same as the dying print media and radio stations. Covid has been a godsend for the print media, they're hardly going to bite the hand that feeds them.

"Licensed commercial radio stations can from Wednesday apply for sums ranging from €45,000 to €95,000 per station under the round, which is paid for out of the existing Sound & Vision scheme financed by a portion of licence fee receipts."

The figures supplied to Labour Party leader Alan Kelly, include €3.2m on print advertising, €4.39m on broadcast campaigns, €688,005 on social media ads."

growleaves · 08-02-2022 1:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599628#Comment_118599628

Austria's vaccine mandate is up in the air. It's been delayed and their health minister says the Austrian government's own constitutional lawyers may veto it. That's before any legal challenges, domestic or at the European court in Strasbourg, are brought which could also derail it.

Bouncing people from their jobs is very extreme and in this case puts pressure on food supply lines. I guess if Canadians go hungry from food shortages the Canadian authorities will look to blame "the unvaccinated" rather than their own unwise and inflexible policies and no doubt you'll be there to parrot them.

Starfire20 · 08-02-2022 1:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598064#Comment_118598064

dont think they wave these flags at a GAA match.

lovely bunch, im sure

Dohnjoe · 08-02-2022 1:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599694#Comment_118599694

The Austria mandate was a tactic to get people vaccinated, it worked. Whether they follow through on it is up to them.

Putting people's lives at danger during a pandemic is extreme. A clear majority of Canadians support the measures, if a minority of truckdrivers want to use their trucks to block supply lines, that goes beyond peaceful protest. The law should deal with them, before people get angry enough with them that the mob does.

Fandymo · 08-02-2022 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599628#Comment_118599628

I was sick as fcuk after my first jab(feb 21), I was sick as fcuk after my second jab (June 21). I didn't bother with a booster, got Covid on 1st Jan 2022 and I had a mild flu. I was nowhere near as sick as I was after either apparently "lapsed" jab.

Starfire20 · 08-02-2022 2:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599766#Comment_118599766

@Fandymo gonna answer my question in #179 ?

i suspect you won't...

growleaves · 08-02-2022 2:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599735#Comment_118599735

The issue of pressure on supply lines is from not having enough drivers, which could become a problem if drivers are forced from their jobs. No one is "blocking" anything, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

A guy driving a truck through the vast wilderness is not putting lives in danger. Your position is fanatical - you're basically claiming that any uninjected person is a walking biological hazard now and forever. In that case are you holed up inside your residence still and refusing to come out?

Dohnjoe · 08-02-2022 2:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599766#Comment_118599766

Good. I know people who've had mild Covid also (and some severe). On a global level, it goes without saying, the jab dramatically reduces hospitalizations and deaths from Covid.

Fandymo · 08-02-2022 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599797#Comment_118599797

Hi there, sorry didn’t see that post, boards new interface is a pain in the arse. I always reply in general.

I've tried to look up the guy Ben Dichter, but there is vanishingly little online about him. Perhaps you could shed some light on him?

Also, the MB are very active in Ireland. So I don’t see how it laughable they they’d be active in Canada.

Starfire20 · 08-02-2022 2:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599903#Comment_118599903

Any data / proof on them being active in Canada ?

also, do you support or sympathize with white supremacists and/or neo-nazis ?

1800_Ladladlad · 08-02-2022 2:33pm

Despite there being a low percentage of people who are not vaccinated, you see thousands of vaccinated people showing support for the truckers. Shows there are some decent people out there. It wasn’t that long that we the seen "firey yet peaceful protests" in U.S. Democrat cities that were burned down. People were murdered. There was violence, assaults, looting, fires, and a police no-go area. And yet the bail money fundraisers for BLM remained during their chaos. At the request of Trudeau (he/hid), gofundme stole from the trucker's campaign. Rather than automatically refunding it to the donors, instead, they were going to try and give it to groups of their own choosing, ‘nonselected charities’. Just like BLM, In the peaceful community of Chop/Chaz “occupation” of Capitol Hill 2020 had violence, drugs, shootings, and murder, and yet the money donated to the multiple gofundmes were not shut down…..

Trudeau resorted to predictable, baseless smear tactics, rather than speaking to the people he is supposed to represent. Why couldn’t he simply address their problems? Instead, he resorted to accusing a massive group of people with the well-worn-out ’isms & ‘bics. The usual tropes. It's ironic coming from a person who dressed in the black face several times.

It's an awful coincidence that Trudeaus personal photographer was pictured with the lad who just happens to have a brand new confederate flag that still has the folds/wrinkles on it, wearing a ski mask being photographed in different locations. The videos of him being tossed out by protesters speak for itself.

The widespread support that the truckers have received in Canada and in other countries cannot be ignored nor discarded in the way it has by the media and the PM. Tow truck companies have been telling the authorities that their workers are out with Covid. The authorities had to go as far as New York state to try and find tow trucks. Even the army refused to get involved.

But Trudeau ran away and is now hiding in an 'undisclosed location' like a spineless, melodramatic coward.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1490687379501367298

Absolute filth!!!!

Dohnjoe · 08-02-2022 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599812#Comment_118599812

Jesus christ.

A majority of truckdrivers in Canada are vaccinated and have no issue with it, the Canadian truckdriving alliance supports that position. The US mandate doesn't allow reentry unvaccinated, but this tiny minority (and it is a tiny minority) of morons have taken it up as a cause against Covid measures in general.

They have every right to peacefully protest, but they aren't doing so. It's no surprise to see the far-right slogans and flags among their ranks.

Fighting Tao · 08-02-2022 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599400#Comment_118599400

If the EU dictated everything, why must we have referendums at times to ratify what the EU wishes?

What are they subsidising us to stop doing? Building roads? Why would they both subsidise the building of roads and want us to stop building them?

As for peat, aren’t Poland in the EU too? How come they aren’t been dictated to like we are seeing all members must do as the EU states?

I’ll stop there….I’m just waiting for the mention of the great reset. Surely it’s coming

Fandymo · 08-02-2022 2:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599941#Comment_118599941

Took me literally seconds. Why would I support white supremacists/neo-nazis? I've asked for information on the people who set up this convoy, you haven't given me any except waffle about white supremacists/neo-nazis. Any chance of providing info on the aforementioned? Or are you one of those posters that gets questions answered but runs off when questioned themselves?

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/muslim-brotherhood-has-a-significant-presence-in-canada-says-study-urging-probe-into-the-group

Mr. Quiggin, a court-recognized expert on terrorism, wrote the study without government or private funding. “Questions need to be raised about the accreditation, public funding and charity status of the organizations involved,” he said.

growleaves · 08-02-2022 2:48pm

'Tow truck companies have been telling the authorities that their workers are out with Covid. The authorities had to go as far as New York state to try and find tow trucks. Even the army refused to get involved.'

It's funny because I'm reading Dr Zhivago by Boris Pasternak about the Russian Revolution and, as the novel tells it, this sort of thing would happen quite often on both sides in 1917-19.

Cossacks or sailors or another group could simply ignore Commissioners if they didn't want to follow an order.

If the authorities now had an ounce of sense they would row back or make some compromise. Trudeau looks very silly hiding from the population.

Trucking is not a people-intensive job. You're travelling along an open road by yourself for the most part.

end of the road · 08-02-2022 2:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598157#Comment_118598157

it's not about fears, it's about resource use and thus taking resources from others.

anyone else who ends up in hospital does not end up there due to a spreadable virus for which, even now, if enough of the unvaccinated get it and end up in hospital as they are more likely to do so, it causes tailbacks in the rest of the system.

all avoided by taking the vaccine which is safe, effective and successful.

Starfire20 · 08-02-2022 2:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118600002#Comment_118600002

reads like a lot of fear mongering to me.

Pat king:

https://cultmtl.com/2022/01/the-canadian-trucker-convoy-organizer-is-an-islamophobic-homophobic-conspiracy-theorist/

Fandymo · 08-02-2022 2:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118599991#Comment_118599991

Hahaha, how did the Lisbon and Nice referendums go when they went against the EUs wishes??

Starfire20 · 08-02-2022 3:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118600173#Comment_118600173

the public could have voted no again and again if they wished. holding a vote is democratic, no?

you seem to think the EU is some sort of monolith hive mind with some kind of hidden Machiavellian agenda that you and your cohorts have been smart enough to discover but the rest of us have been duped...

end of the road · 08-02-2022 3:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598729#Comment_118598729

natural immunity isn't as effective as vaccine immunity, so no we would not be exiting quite yet.

end of the road · 08-02-2022 3:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598705#Comment_118598705

the protest is discrediting itself, all by itself.

the protesters are showing themselves what they are.

Fandymo · 08-02-2022 3:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118600168#Comment_118600168

I can find nothing stating that Pat King organised this convoy bar this link. BBC have Tamara Lind as the main person behind it, and the person named as setting up the frozen GoFundMe. Wiki have Ben Dichter as a convoy spokesman. Neither mention Pat King at all. Loonies have a tendency to attach themselves to things like this to try to legitimize their movements, from what I can see this (Pat King) is a case of this. Most seem to have decent motives for taking part in this. Where would I get a legitimate list of convoy organizers?

end of the road · 08-02-2022 3:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598959#Comment_118598959

it is a proscribed terrorist organisation yes.

not wanting a proscribed terrorist organisation in a country is fine, but this individual doesn't simply not want a terrorist organisation in her country but doesn't want muslims or anyone who is brown in her country, which is a very very different proposition.