ESB eCars

kanuseeme · 04-02-2022 12:08PM

I have a phev, convinced my mother and father to buy the same, we never had any problem, I knew there was a possibility of queuing, broken chargers and the knob in Waterford, so I decided to purchase a second phev and I will continue to do so until a car comes that does not require a network.

Complain all you like, get all the hubs you want but there will always be a problem of too many cars not enough chargers, I have seen ques on YouTube of tesla hubs in the US, Nyland saying a 30 minute wait is acceptable in Norway.

I prefer not to waste my time and yet a phev is described as a whore, compliance car, latest one was neither here or there car. I have ran out of sympathy, Phev's have been knocked down at every opportunity, going so far to offer a cheaper EV to potential buyers while ignoring the even cheaper model phev,

The one fun fact you might get a giggle out of is, my brother is after buying a ID4 against my advice and he turned the disadvantages into an advantage of avoiding visiting his mother in law.

Ecars are not the sole provider of chargers, maybe you can all set up your own company and start your own hubs with the added advantage of banning phevs.

AndyBoBandy · 04-02-2022 12:15PM

And as if to prove my point... a quick flick through the IEVOA chairpersons presentation in the U.K. posted in another thread here a few minutes ago...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580364/#Comment_118580364

He's showing a map of charging infrastructure in Ireland and his comment: "Looks pretty good"

So when the guy that leads the 'lobby group' for EV drivers in Ireland looks at the network and says it looks pretty good, we are fcuking doomed over here.

Red Silurian · 04-02-2022 12:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579940#Comment_118579940

Will they be taking questions from the public at this event?

TitianGerm · 04-02-2022 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580144#Comment_118580144

If you're in a pinch then 80c isn't bad.

As far as I'm concerned I think ESB should not install any more Chademo chargers. CCS is the standard and are are outselling Chademo by 5-1 (I think that was the figure last year).

We need more CCS chargers in better formats.

- 150KW for motorways/busy local routes between larger towns and cities.

- 50kw for towns in local car parks close to shops/restaurants. Ideally where people will stop for lunch etc.

-22kw/7kw charges at destination sites where people spend multiple hours or are staying overnight. Think shopping centres, local attractions (beaches, cinemas, parks, event centres, restaurants and pubs etc)

DrPhilG · 04-02-2022 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580469#Comment_118580469

Was that it? He didn't say "looks good, but in reality it's crap?“

liamog · 04-02-2022 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579772#Comment_118579772

eCars have stopped installing dual AC 22kW chargers for their network, the only time they've installed new ones in the last couple of years is where Tesco paid for EV charging but were too cheap to do anything more than greenwashing.

daddy_boy · 04-02-2022 12:50PM

"Looks pretty good" - should have gone to specsavers.

Jumped up second hand car salesman living in Dublin, Needs to get with the real world and do a return trip from Waterford to Dublin airport - or Castlebar to Dublin not doing 10 minutes a day to work and home

liamog · 04-02-2022 12:51PM

Mod Note: I appreciate their is a lot of frustration, but can you keep the discussion clean and stop the deliberate attempts to avoid the word filter.

kanuseeme · 04-02-2022 01:06PM

I would prefer to see more AC and more chademo just for the cheap Japanese imports and I have no frustration at all.

eagerv · 04-02-2022 03:16PM

Was down at Whitfield Waterford this morning, drove in around the famous Ecars charge point next door. A lot of ground works going on to left of charger from back of shop, the area all closed off.

Doubt it, but perhaps a hub going in? Or secret supercharging?😁

Busman Paddy Lasty · 04-02-2022 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580620#Comment_118580620

Was referring to replacing older 22kW AC units by installing replacement 22kW units. Should have made that clear this morning.

AndyBoBandy · 04-02-2022 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581415#Comment_118581415

God that would be an epic spot for a little SuC of 2-4 stalls........ would be a bonus too if the guy was patrolling the site 24/7..

Didn't happen to snap a photo of the site did you?

(epic for me as I've family down there)

eagerv · 04-02-2022 04:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581850#Comment_118581850

No photo unfortunately..😪

liamog · 04-02-2022 04:12PM

The Waterford location is installing an extra floor and a drive through for coffee, nothing on the planning permissions indicates changes to the EV charging onsite.

zg3409 · 04-02-2022 04:57PM

Site owner 1:0 Esb ecars.

eagerv · 04-02-2022 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582086#Comment_118582086

Interesting.. So only one fast charge point now for a city and its environs..

AndyBoBandy · 04-02-2022 05:01PM

yeah, that looks like it's gone for good.

@zg3409 will you remove it from PlugShare?

I know it's an older unit, but I really hope they stick it in somewhere useful... like the M1 at Castlebellingham, or another single unit site somewhere that desperately needs it!!

liamog · 04-02-2022 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582105#Comment_118582105

Why would you say it's gone for good? The site has building work and the planning permission show's that the EV spaces will still be there after the work is complete

Here's the planning app https://www.eplanning.ie/WaterfordCCC/AppFileRefDetails/21181/0

AndyBoBandy · 04-02-2022 05:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582113#Comment_118582113

Normally in those press releases though they say unavailable until further notice, or with an expected timeline..... but here, it's just 'no longer accessible' . who knows, maybe EasyGo will take the spot? of he'll simply install his own twin 7kW chargers....... (the longer the cars are there charging, the more they'll spend in his shop.......... would he his thinking I'm sure).

I'd say they're glad to be out of there to be honest.... just too much hassle from yer man. Hopefully they find another spot for it down there.

I (selfishly) think this AppleGreen would be a great spot for it;

https://goo.gl/maps/K21ryB5ed7czLQzX6

innrain · 04-02-2022 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582113#Comment_118582113

I think it is a separate matter. Removal of EV charger did not make the object of the planning application but the owner decided it is an opportunity mow when work it is happening. Maybe adding the drive through required him to increase the MIC who knows. I also think it is removed for good. So ecars -1 this year.

TitianGerm · 04-02-2022 05:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582131#Comment_118582131

You'd be as well just putting a 150KW hub in the Harvey Norman car park.

liamog · 04-02-2022 05:33PM

This is how it's marked on the planning application

Not that I'll be particularly sad to see this one go, it's always been fun to see how the monthly will it be blocked bingo works out.

AndyBoBandy · 04-02-2022 05:36PM

We live in hope..

The SE is woefully underserved, so the last thing we need is to lose a DC site.

daddy_boy · 04-02-2022 05:46PM

if we are suggesting locations for charging hubs (not one unit with 4 cables) but something that Kempower do and is future proof I would suggest the following for the south east which i think would satisfy most long range driving to and from the south east

M9 Exit 7, Jordanstown, R95 R2X6

https://goo.gl/maps/8WwRWXGSuk2wz2e66

Ballindinas, Co. Wexford, Y35 E8KT

https://g.page/maldron-wexford?share

Waterford Retail Park, Outer Ring Rd, Butlerstown North, Waterford

https://goo.gl/maps/aP2n77AvmYUvG5uN6

and this one should be upgraded

https://goo.gl/maps/zs3M5827NG82FZ967

this should be relocated within the service area and upgraded

https://goo.gl/maps/64GQXMxBRKma8toM9

and all public car parks with over 100 spaces should have this

https://photos.plugshare.com/photos/848594.jpg

I can dream,,,,,,,,,

liamog · 04-02-2022 05:49PM

You can pretty much remove any Applegreen site from future plans, apparently they are blocking third party installations due to a future desire to install their own. Gridserve in the UK had a similar issue upgrading Welcome Break sites, Applegreen bought Welcome Break a couple of years ago.

I have no issue with Applegreen installing their own chargers, but they need to start putting them on the ground.

eltoastero · 04-02-2022 07:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580585#Comment_118580585

well said - this is how I would use the public charging system (in terms of when to use 150kW / 50kW / 7kW charge points).

Black_Knight · 04-02-2022 07:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581892#Comment_118581892

It needs it. It's a kip from what I seen of it last month. Worst services with Ev charging I've been at, though I've not been at very many.

wassie · 04-02-2022 07:59PM

I wonder is that the reason that the Tesla SuCs that were originally planned for the Enfield M4 Applegreens never went ahead?

slave1 · 04-02-2022 09:25PM

Wasn't there something about they were denied access from off the tolled motorway, as others could then use it to skip the toll

AndyBoBandy · 04-02-2022 09:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582861#Comment_118582861

You’d imagine so..

The Enfield site although close to the motorway looks a bit of a pain really! It’ll catch out a lot of visiting Tesla drivers without tags and don’t know to get a receipt at the toll plaza…

Applegreen should poop or get off the pot! M4 Enfield services would be a good spot for at least 2 of those new eCars 200kW units (of course when a lot (a lot) of other sites/routes get upgrades first). They are sites where eCars already have a presence, so surely going from 2 to 4 spots would be easy enough!!

I mean the spots are already marked for 4 spaces!!!!! Just get another feckin unit in!!!! Same in Castlebellingham!!

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