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  • 04-02-2019 3:06pm
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    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

    The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.


    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs


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  • Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭ Gile_na_gile


    New EU regulations will require employers with over 20 parking spaces to provide charging points by 2020.

    This will help a lot, too. I haven't seen any discussion about this to date, but that is a lot of new infrastructure and clearly a good time to get into the Nigel Daly business..


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    "Most standard public chargers can provide approximately 100 km of range in one hour whereas fast chargers typically provide 100 km of range in 20 minutes"

    Well that opening part is quite misleading from our Gov....


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭ Silent Running


    A very welcome development. The placing of rapid chargers hasn't been ideal and some of the destination chargers are well past their use-by date.

    Some of the areas not covered by rapids should be prioritised.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭ Nedved85


    This will help a lot, too. I haven't seen any discussion about this to date, but that is a lot of new infrastructure and clearly a good time to get into the Nigel Daly business..

    I saw somebody on facebook post 2 charging points ( with 2 outlets per point) centered between two rows of spaces. This would allow up to 8 people charge in a day. 4 before lunch, 4 after without anyone having to move etc. Simple


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭ ei9go


    slave1 wrote: »
    "Most standard public chargers can provide approximately 100 km of range in one hour whereas fast chargers typically provide 100 km of range in 20 minutes"

    Well that opening part is quite misleading from our Gov....

    Exactly what a Zoe does from an SCP


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,884 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    slave1 wrote: »
    "Most standard public chargers can provide approximately 100 km of range in one hour whereas fast chargers typically provide 100 km of range in 20 minutes"

    Well that opening part is quite misleading from our Gov....

    The fact alone that they quote a single figure for range per hour of charging goes to show the minister and the civil servants from his department who wrote the speech haven't really a clue about electric cars.

    Range per hour on a slow charger can be from 10km (elderly Leaf taking 3.3kW) to 150km Zoe 41 taking 22kW . 100km is far from typical here, most EVs (except Zoe) can only take a fraction of that range

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    More important to know is the time frame for all this ?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    If eCars have any cop on they'll do it within 18 months to avoid a change in government.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    18 Months is pretty ambitious , a lot of money is going to go on contractors......


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    So I phoned ecars to see about the Athlone fast charger out of action a few weeks after new unit being installed, they don’t know what’s wrong with it and don’t know how long it will take to fix.
    The Gov have got it all wrong, the continued dismal infrastructure will keep drivers in ICE vehicles for the foreseeable future


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    eCars have at least started on this phase of the project
    replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

    Replacements have gone in at Carrickmines and Dunboyne

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    I've seen many of the 22kW charge points around Cork changed as well.

    Why is the one above turned the way it is? Surely it should be facing forward to make both sides more accessible for the 2 car spaces? It looks a bit odd :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,010 ✭✭✭ fricatus


    KCross wrote: »
    Why is the one above turned the way it is? Surely it should be facing forward to make both sides more accessible for the 2 car spaces? It looks a bit odd :confused:

    Yeah! :confused:

    I wonder was somebody on the sauce the night before


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭ thelikelylad


    KCross wrote: »
    I've seen many of the 22kW charge points around Cork changed as well.

    Why is the one above turned the way it is? Surely it should be facing forward to make both sides more accessible for the 2 car spaces? It looks a bit odd :confused:

    There is an access door on the front of the unit for maintenance so the bollard gets in the way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    There is an access door on the front of the unit for maintenance so the bollard gets in the way.

    Someone didnt think that through so when the charger and the bollard were designed! The bollard and/or the unit should be far enough apart to face the flippin thing the right way... or the access door should be at the back.

    I guess it can still work as is but if you're charge port is on the side of the car it might be a strecth too far to get to the port that is facing away from you.


  • Moderators Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    liamog wrote: »
    eCars have at least started on this phase of the project

    Replacements have gone in at Carrickmines and Dunboyne

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    One of those gone in on Copley street last week. Already a port has been damaged on it (screen said error on chargeport). They're a much nicer setup than the old ones at least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭ Silent Running


    One of those gone in on Copley street last week. Already a port has been damaged on it (screen said error on chargeport). They're a much nicer setup than the old ones at least.

    Good to see the ports are identified as A and B. Many times the ecars guy on the phone asks if you're connecting to left or right. Well it depends which side of the charger you're looking at. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    That's hilarious the way that charge point is mounted in the pic above, you couldn't make it up if you tried.

    Typical of the way things are done in Ireland.


  • Moderators Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    Good to see the ports are identified as A and B. Many times the ecars guy on the phone asks if you're connecting to left or right. Well it depends which side of the charger you're looking at. :D

    I tried to tell the girl on the phone that port A was broken. She asked was that the left or the right. :rolleyes:

    At least now consumers have the option to choose which side port to use. The old "port will slide open" style ones forced you to use the left port first (at least that was my experience), but if the left port was busted but not reporting as such, you're stuck. South Mall in Cork had this experience. Noticed it on Saturday, and spotted a Leaf plugged into the left port and not charging on Sunday. Odd, since parking is free on a Sunday anyways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭ Irishjg


    Are some of the existing 2 x 22kw units being replaced by 50kw ?


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  • Moderators Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    Irishjg wrote: »
    Are some of the existing 2 x 22kw units being replaced by 50kw ?

    Doubt it. Have you heard something?

    The 22kw units are typically in towns/cities. 50kW+ chargers are typically on/just off major road networks. Putting a 50kW charger in the middle of a town doesn't really make sense. More "destination" chargers makes better sense (to me) in towns/hotels/offices etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,213 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    Irishjg wrote: »
    Are some of the existing 2 x 22kw units being replaced by 50kw ?

    eCars did say they were going to do that in one of their announcements but all I've seen so far is them replacing 22kW with more modern 22kW units.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭ Irishjg


    Yep I wasn’t sure. On Ecars’ recent newsletter they stated that some of the 22kw units were being upgraded. I misread it to mean a DC upgrade. Thanks for the clarification.


  • Moderators Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    KCross wrote: »
    eCars did say they were going to do that in one of their announcements but all I've seen so far is them replacing 22kW with more modern 22kW units.

    Modern ones are pretty nice actually. They... work for one. Tells you status of each port, and if charging, they state how long for and how much electricity has been transferred. Perfect for when they bring in fees on these.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    Doubt it. Have you heard something?

    The 22kw units are typically in towns/cities. 50kW+ chargers are typically on/just off major road networks. Putting a 50kW charger in the middle of a town doesn't really make sense. More "destination" chargers makes better sense (to me) in towns/hotels/offices etc.

    My understanding is that at least 50 of the existing of the existing 22kW chargers will be upgraded to 50kW. I expect the ones where there is currently 50kW plus 22kW will be first, followed by some in town car park locations.

    Not everyone can slow charge comfortably when away from home, 50kW models are right sized for supermarkets and other non motorway locations. Don't forget the network needs to be sized for the next 5 years of cars. That means we should expect 50kW chargers to be used for 45 mins at a time. Which still wouldn't fill the majority of 2020 EVs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    At least with the AC points you can charge 2 cars, can't charge 2 with 1 DC even if it charges faster.

    2 X 20 Kw DC would be better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭ kennethsmyth


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    At least with the AC points you can charge 2 cars, can't charge 2 with 1 DC even if it charges faster.

    2 X 20 Kw DC would be better.


    Same chargers in france can, if someone hops up it splits the charge to ccs and chademo. This seems to encourage people to stay in car and if a car comes up they normally wait a little then ask if they can plug in and split the charge.

    This happened to me twice in France on hols this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭ Kramer


    liamog wrote: »
    My understanding is that at least 50 of the existing of the existing 22kW chargers will be upgraded to 50kW.

    I know of two which were updated to 50kW DC this year - Nenagh & the M7 (B'OB Plaza - Monegall).


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭ daheff


    went to use the new charger in leixlip train station during the week.... but both the sockets were not working. So they replaced a working unit with one that wouldn't work.

    Sockets felt like there was a lock at the edges of the socket. Rang ESB and they couldn't fo anything... unit went offline on them as i was talking with them.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,884 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    ESB. The height of competence!

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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