Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all,
Vanilla are planning an update to the site on April 24th (next Wednesday). It is a major PHP8 update which is expected to boost performance across the site. The site will be down from 7pm and it is expected to take about an hour to complete. We appreciate your patience during the update.
Thanks all.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

1103010311033103510361115

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 28,656 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Oh I've learned several things from the last 2 years...

    • Despite our liking to think "how far we've come", under it all is the same servile, parochial and selfish mindset that has existed for generations. "We" still need approval, to be seen to be doing the "right thing", and we certainly don't like anyone/anything different to this
    • Our political system is fundamentally broken. Although there wasn't much difference between them, FF and FGs newfound ability to agree Confidence and Supply or outright Coalition deals has even further removed any notion of accountability or consequence at the ballot box, or of answering to the electorate. Our "alternatives" are the even more populist SF or a variety of lefty one-issue/idealist groups. Yay!
    • We are completely risk-averse as a nation, but especially at political level because of the progressively worsening piss-poor weak "leadership" in Government in the last decade or two. In the "old days" it was the Church who effectively ran things. In the last 2 years it's been NPHET and the same useless management of the HSE (who can't provide a sufficient health service despite getting 20 billion a year) who have been dictating policy to Government to protect their own areas and deflect from their incompetence. It's long since been recognised that our response has been more about protecting the HSE than the people from the "deadly" Covid virus
    • Even as we finally come out of it (but not before letting others in the UK make the decision first), we still have a cohort complaining that we're moving too fast, still berating anyone who doubts the value of masks, and attacking anyone who isn't as "concerned" as they are

    And the main thing to take from the last 2 years? Just as we learned nothing from the Tiger years and the Recession, so too will we learn nothing from this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    If you think for a moment that people were just not buying the clothing and other items they needed because they put yellow tape around it in Dunnes you are absolutely off your tree. People bought that stuff online from bigger companies. Dunnes is at least Irish-owned.

    "One law for the rich and one for the poor" was fully in effect and exaggerated, and you need only look to the massively-increased wealth of billionaires over the last couple of years to see it.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 12,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭iguana


    A big problem with people in Dunnes buying clothes was in the earliest weeks of restrictions when the numbers of customers allowed in stores was strictly limited. You can't really have a huge queue of people waiting to buy groceries until people inside browsing clothes are finished. People would have come to blows. Especially right at the very start when those who hadn't seen what was coming went into sudden panic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    They're keeping them for nightclubs and indoor events over 500 people. Great to see us leading the way in relaxing restrictions.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Yeah, we waited to see the results worldwide...not specifically England.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 12,709 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The main takeaway for me is that the politics in this country never looks beyond the immediate short-term. Time and time again we run into this short-term thinking that really is so detrimental to the country. The housing crises is another perfect example of this type of thinking.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,132 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Some restaurants and pubs still enforcing the masks rule in Galway ……..

    Most spots the majority are still wearing them anyways

    We are such a docile population…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Literally in the pub here and one of the regulars beside me at the bar got up to go to the jacks and asked if he had to wear a mask and the barman said no and he replied… “are you suuuureee”. He’s a nice guy but one of those who’ll introduce you to his mask he loves it so much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,132 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Which is fine as it’s his choice

    Being told you have to wear one or won’t be served is another story



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Absolutley, his choice…. But wanted to hear that he had to… that’s what’s funny! He’s almost upset that he can walk bare faced to the jacks! Lot of them about! I’d say half the people where I am now are wearing masks when walking about



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 8,345 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In fairness, pubs are entitled to run their business as they see fit and at least if you don't like the rules of a particular establishment you can go to another one, until proper closing hours 😁😁😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭kirk.


    What's the thinking on masks will they be dropped

    The most annoying things ever



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    With the way the numbers are dropping then there won't be much of a justification at the end of Feb. Too early to say though as of now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    The main poster talks about feeling like crying because he has to go back to the office because restrictions are ending. He's not overjoyed restrictions are ending, he's crying they are ending.

    If you don't think that's pro lockdown....



  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Eh, I dunno about that. I know a few people who are glad the restrictions are ending and it looks like the pandemic is coming to an end, but who also had a huge increase in quality of life this last couple of years because of more time with kids, less money/time on commuting/food etc. They are mostly pissed off at their employers for forcing them back into the office when it seems unnecessary rather than actually wanting restrictions to continue.

    And you have to remember, it's been nearly two years. That's a long time to get out of the swing of being in a corporate environment for 8 hours a day. It's not surprising that some people are feeling anxious about going back. It doesn't mean they want everyone else to keep being restricted.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    They are not pro lockdown they are pro WFH or at least only a day in the office



  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭moonage


    (Sorry for the multi-quotes.)

    I don't think Boris's actions in England had much effect on Ireland's lifting of restrictions.

    We're not really a free, independent country that can come to our own decisions. We're part of the EU and it's our masters in Brussels who ultimately call the shots. Most restrictions were lifted here because the EU granted us permission to lift them.

    Post edited by moonage on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I asked for evidence as to why excess deaths were a multiple of actual globally. You posted a response with a handful of reports of issues that had pretty marginal impacts on overall death rate. Eg An increase of 1700 home deaths in a country with 170,000 Covid deaths, a country that actually was pretty aligned between excess deaths and Covid deaths compared to much of the world. If we had been talking mismatches between Covid and excess deaths in the region of 5-10%, then yes your links would have provided an explanation. But it wasn’t, it was more like 200%, so as I said previously- no evidence then, got it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    In the context of COVID, short-term is very understandable and even desirable with potential changes every 2-3 weeks. The housing problem is very complex, despite claims by the Opposition that even more money will do the trick and in a lot of ways goes back to way before any of the current Dail even thought about politics. Slaintecare is long-term, despite currently being stalled, and Reid seemed to have started on a HSE plan before all of this hit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,698 ✭✭✭Nuts102


    Right so England were the main drivers of those results and led by Boris.

    So your comment that Boris had nothing to do with it is nonsense, based on your own response.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 12,709 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I think we are saying the same thing really. Covid reinforced all the natural bad habits of short-term thinking that is common in Irish politics. Completely agree with you on the housing issue and it really has its root in the celtic tiger years where house properties were allowed run out of control because it was fueling bumper tax returns. It requires a long term strategy and making unpopular political decisions.

    The health service is the same. When all the local health authorities were rebounded under the HSE umbrella we were promised reform. That never happened. The same way having centres of excellence and more step down facilities while closing regional hospitals was on paper a good idea. They forgot about the first part and just ploughed on with closing facilities before their alternatives were up and running.

    Slaintecare looks dead in the water if you ask me and judging by Reid track record, even before his HSE role, I have zero faith he can deliver the reform that is needed.

    This Pandemic could and should be the catalyst for reform. It shone a bright light at the major failings of the HSE over the past 10 years. More voters need to keep this fresh in their minds and not forget how easily the hospital system came under pressure and the disgraceful waiting lists that we have now.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It's not looking good for the masks to go as retailers in UK are keeping them



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭kirk.


    The PC war will probably start up now on masks

    # do the right thing protect your fellow citizen

    The sort of world were living in



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    We won't know here whether good or bad as a decision is not for another 4 weeks anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,008 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Details are important though. The Guardian reports (my emphasis)

    England drops compulsory mask wearing in shops, vaccine certificates and work from home guidance

    Today is the day that England drops all the Plan B restrictions which were put in place ahead of the expected wave of Omicron infections.

    The move means compulsory mask wearing in shops and on public transport, guidance to work from home and vaccine certificates will be scrapped in England. Last week the government changed guidance to remove face mask wearing in classrooms in secondary schools.

    Health Secretary Sajid Javid said the success of the vaccine programme, coupled with a better understanding of treatment for the virus, is “allowing us to cautiously return to plan A, restoring more freedoms to this country”.

    The move comes as the UK as a whole recorded 102,292 new daily Covid cases, with the week-on-week average being slightly down. There were 346 deaths recorded yesterday.

    Public health guidance urging people to wear a face covering in crowded and enclosed spaces if coming into contact strangers will remain in place, the Government said. It also said organisations will be able to choose if they will require Covid passes from those visiting their venues.

    While the scrapping of measures have been welcomed by some, others have urged people to “be considerate to those around them” when it comes to choosing to wear a face covering, and to “be respectful” of policies in certain settings.

    Both Sainsbury’s and John Lewis said their customers will be asked to wear masks, though the latter acknowledged it will ultimately come down to “personal choice”.

    PA Media quote the British Retail Consortium saying the changes “will enable shopping to return to a more normal experience for customers, employees and businesses”.

    But their chief executive Helen Dickinson added: “Retailers ask customers to be considerate to those around them when choosing whether to wear a face covering and to respect the decision of other customers.”




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I know the legal side is dropped

    My fear now is that the corporates and the pc mob will now take over and keep this restriction going indefinitely



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Night owl gal


    Are the gp surgeries back to normal yet, ie no phone consultations?



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,169 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think it depends on what's up with you and they might see you but it will take a while to get an appointment.

    However I think the phone calls are handy for them and will continue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,685 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Mask not what your country can do for you, mask what you can do for your country.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 31,008 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    But there is no such "restriction" in the UK. The retailers aren't requiring masks.



Advertisement