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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Never change guys, keep inventing altered versions of other people point of view so you can go on believing you have won the internet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They can be brought back with a stroke of the pen too, better start a political party to fight against it...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    That's a bit harsh.

    I wasn't one of those who predicted x,y & z, but had you asked me on December 18 whether we'll be in lockdown in January I would have said, 'yes, more likely than not'. Simply from past experience.

    And you can't deny that the tone has shifted very quickly, almost abruptly. You can tell by how many are actually taken aback by it. It went from 'this terrible disease will have us in its grip for years to come' to 'thats grand now' almost overnight.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. But I don't think this shift was predictable in December. We were definitely contemplating lockdown at some point in December I'd say. Omicron and Boris Johnson (there, I said it!) saved us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Well that nonsensical and ridiculous comment sure tops all!

    There is no "seatbelt argument" other than the one in your head.

    The issue raised was things which were legally required.

    And sunshine, if you've been buying your facemasks out of a pounshop, not washing them, whilst constantly fingering them in out of your pockets and handbag - you're doing it wrong. And a 3 year old could have pointed that out to you 🤣😅😂

    Plenty of decent facemasks available. Just don't put them your pocket or handbag and for chris sake stop fingering them!

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I don't know what you find funny... Take a walk about and observe the masks people are using and how they are being used... You'd need an army of "three year olds"... And isn't that the point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Boris Johnson had fúck all to do with it.

    Not everyone was predicting a lockdown. It was only the doom mongers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You do seem obsessed with how other people use masks, can't say I've noticed the same (a few noses on show is about the height of it).

    But are you saying better masks for all or no masks because a few idiots can't use them right? The latter is a bit of a stupid position (considering theyll likely be unneeded by end of Feb on current case and hospitalisation trajectory).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It really seems to upset alot of people to give Boris credit.

    We were amongst the most Conservative countries in the world for rolling back on restrictions.

    Yet people seem to think we would have moved ahead with this without seeing the results out of England.

    Omicron and Boris are two of the biggest reasons we done what we did and we are probably running out of money also.

    Whether we would have went into a lockdown or not, we would certainly be still heavily restricted without those two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    😂😅🤣 Thats hillarious. Asking for an adult discussion whilst liberally throwing childish insults.

    Anyway you do know that public health advice on mask wearing has always been as much about others as your own rather bizarre ideas about cults, buying into "narratives" or others maybe thinking you're some type of "introvert"?

    You ask how can you not 'finger a mask'? Really? We're only in the third year of the pandemic and you've still no idea how to use a mask?

    I'd suggest you look up how to put a mask on if you're "fingering" them all the time.

    Heres a simple one which might help .

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/proper-mask-wearing-coronavirus-prevention-infographic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Canada still losing the plot i see. Hard to believe really


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    This.

    I'm very very far from the Tories politically. They're a bunch of self-entitled tofts out for their privilege and they dont give a sh** about the ordinary Joe or anything really. But I kinda like Boris.

    Maybe he has me conned, I dont know. He probably has. They're all masters at playing to their audience, its in their job description.

    But regardless, I dont think we would have done what we did, at least not nearly as quickly, without seeing the developments across the water. And what happened across the water was clearly his doing. Credit where credit is due.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TBH when we look at our own strategy, much as we like to point to some of the obvious flaws in it, overall it has been a very benign if frustrating imposition. That's been helped by our willingness to get vaccinated although even that is not good enough for some countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    While we didn't go as far as "shopping escorts", don't forget there were complaints about the likes of Dunnes allowing people to buy "non-essential" items during the more severe restrictions too until they bended to the pressure - buy groceries... grand. Buy a jacket in the next aisle.. nope!

    We weren't that much better, but I don't get why Canada are still persisting with the theatrics alright!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Again, Boris had fúck all to do with it. The north have only binned covid passes today. Were they following us?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    So you think one of most Conservative countries in the world in regards Covid would have led the way in dropping restrictions without seeing the results elsewhere?

    What actions from the past two years makes you believe we would have done this?

    Please be specific on the actions from our government that makes you believe we would have removed restrictions without seeing results elsewhere.

    Boris took the risk and led the way.

    We followed after looking at the results.

    You could argue the English prime minister done more for ending restrictions than anyone in the Irish government sadly enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Seeing us do it undoubtedly puts the pressure on them, yes.

    When they first announced relaxations before ROI, they still said theyd be keeping covid passes for events etc. Has that since changed, or are you just describing their initial announcement now taking effect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian



    I think Jackets, as well as trousers, socks, underwear, jumpers, T-Shirts and baby clothes were deemed essential, but in any case Dunnes would sell you anything if you told them it was essential to you



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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    I think that may depend on your location, no shops near me sold any of that stuff during the lockdowns bar baby clothes.

    A friend of mine had her baby prematurely last February and wasn’t prepared, her husband had to all but get on his hands and knees to beg to be allowed buy a few nightdresses in Tesco for her as they weren’t considered essential.

    I also recall a mother ringing in the local radio station, she needed a coat for her son and had to order one online as none were for sale in the shops. She had to guess the size as she obviously couldn’t try it on him, and it didn’t fit.

    She was on the PUP and then had to wait a few weeks to do an online return for the coat and for her refund to be processed before she could afford to buy another one.

    Meanwhile coats and jackets were cordoned off like a crime scene in the local Dunnes and Tesco, while homeware was was available to buy as needed.

    It was totally nonsensical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I don't think it was anything like this coherent at the time, just bouts of outrage that Dunnes et al were not following the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Oh I've learned several things from the last 2 years...

    • Despite our liking to think "how far we've come", under it all is the same servile, parochial and selfish mindset that has existed for generations. "We" still need approval, to be seen to be doing the "right thing", and we certainly don't like anyone/anything different to this
    • Our political system is fundamentally broken. Although there wasn't much difference between them, FF and FGs newfound ability to agree Confidence and Supply or outright Coalition deals has even further removed any notion of accountability or consequence at the ballot box, or of answering to the electorate. Our "alternatives" are the even more populist SF or a variety of lefty one-issue/idealist groups. Yay!
    • We are completely risk-averse as a nation, but especially at political level because of the progressively worsening piss-poor weak "leadership" in Government in the last decade or two. In the "old days" it was the Church who effectively ran things. In the last 2 years it's been NPHET and the same useless management of the HSE (who can't provide a sufficient health service despite getting 20 billion a year) who have been dictating policy to Government to protect their own areas and deflect from their incompetence. It's long since been recognised that our response has been more about protecting the HSE than the people from the "deadly" Covid virus
    • Even as we finally come out of it (but not before letting others in the UK make the decision first), we still have a cohort complaining that we're moving too fast, still berating anyone who doubts the value of masks, and attacking anyone who isn't as "concerned" as they are

    And the main thing to take from the last 2 years? Just as we learned nothing from the Tiger years and the Recession, so too will we learn nothing from this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    If you think for a moment that people were just not buying the clothing and other items they needed because they put yellow tape around it in Dunnes you are absolutely off your tree. People bought that stuff online from bigger companies. Dunnes is at least Irish-owned.

    "One law for the rich and one for the poor" was fully in effect and exaggerated, and you need only look to the massively-increased wealth of billionaires over the last couple of years to see it.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,916 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    A big problem with people in Dunnes buying clothes was in the earliest weeks of restrictions when the numbers of customers allowed in stores was strictly limited. You can't really have a huge queue of people waiting to buy groceries until people inside browsing clothes are finished. People would have come to blows. Especially right at the very start when those who hadn't seen what was coming went into sudden panic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    They're keeping them for nightclubs and indoor events over 500 people. Great to see us leading the way in relaxing restrictions.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Yeah, we waited to see the results worldwide...not specifically England.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The main takeaway for me is that the politics in this country never looks beyond the immediate short-term. Time and time again we run into this short-term thinking that really is so detrimental to the country. The housing crises is another perfect example of this type of thinking.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Some restaurants and pubs still enforcing the masks rule in Galway ……..

    Most spots the majority are still wearing them anyways

    We are such a docile population…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Literally in the pub here and one of the regulars beside me at the bar got up to go to the jacks and asked if he had to wear a mask and the barman said no and he replied… “are you suuuureee”. He’s a nice guy but one of those who’ll introduce you to his mask he loves it so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Which is fine as it’s his choice

    Being told you have to wear one or won’t be served is another story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Absolutley, his choice…. But wanted to hear that he had to… that’s what’s funny! He’s almost upset that he can walk bare faced to the jacks! Lot of them about! I’d say half the people where I am now are wearing masks when walking about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In fairness, pubs are entitled to run their business as they see fit and at least if you don't like the rules of a particular establishment you can go to another one, until proper closing hours 😁😁😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    What's the thinking on masks will they be dropped

    The most annoying things ever



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    With the way the numbers are dropping then there won't be much of a justification at the end of Feb. Too early to say though as of now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    The main poster talks about feeling like crying because he has to go back to the office because restrictions are ending. He's not overjoyed restrictions are ending, he's crying they are ending.

    If you don't think that's pro lockdown....



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Eh, I dunno about that. I know a few people who are glad the restrictions are ending and it looks like the pandemic is coming to an end, but who also had a huge increase in quality of life this last couple of years because of more time with kids, less money/time on commuting/food etc. They are mostly pissed off at their employers for forcing them back into the office when it seems unnecessary rather than actually wanting restrictions to continue.

    And you have to remember, it's been nearly two years. That's a long time to get out of the swing of being in a corporate environment for 8 hours a day. It's not surprising that some people are feeling anxious about going back. It doesn't mean they want everyone else to keep being restricted.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,064 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    They are not pro lockdown they are pro WFH or at least only a day in the office



  • Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    (Sorry for the multi-quotes.)

    I don't think Boris's actions in England had much effect on Ireland's lifting of restrictions.

    We're not really a free, independent country that can come to our own decisions. We're part of the EU and it's our masters in Brussels who ultimately call the shots. Most restrictions were lifted here because the EU granted us permission to lift them.

    Post edited by moonage on


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I asked for evidence as to why excess deaths were a multiple of actual globally. You posted a response with a handful of reports of issues that had pretty marginal impacts on overall death rate. Eg An increase of 1700 home deaths in a country with 170,000 Covid deaths, a country that actually was pretty aligned between excess deaths and Covid deaths compared to much of the world. If we had been talking mismatches between Covid and excess deaths in the region of 5-10%, then yes your links would have provided an explanation. But it wasn’t, it was more like 200%, so as I said previously- no evidence then, got it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    In the context of COVID, short-term is very understandable and even desirable with potential changes every 2-3 weeks. The housing problem is very complex, despite claims by the Opposition that even more money will do the trick and in a lot of ways goes back to way before any of the current Dail even thought about politics. Slaintecare is long-term, despite currently being stalled, and Reid seemed to have started on a HSE plan before all of this hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Right so England were the main drivers of those results and led by Boris.

    So your comment that Boris had nothing to do with it is nonsense, based on your own response.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I think we are saying the same thing really. Covid reinforced all the natural bad habits of short-term thinking that is common in Irish politics. Completely agree with you on the housing issue and it really has its root in the celtic tiger years where house properties were allowed run out of control because it was fueling bumper tax returns. It requires a long term strategy and making unpopular political decisions.

    The health service is the same. When all the local health authorities were rebounded under the HSE umbrella we were promised reform. That never happened. The same way having centres of excellence and more step down facilities while closing regional hospitals was on paper a good idea. They forgot about the first part and just ploughed on with closing facilities before their alternatives were up and running.

    Slaintecare looks dead in the water if you ask me and judging by Reid track record, even before his HSE role, I have zero faith he can deliver the reform that is needed.

    This Pandemic could and should be the catalyst for reform. It shone a bright light at the major failings of the HSE over the past 10 years. More voters need to keep this fresh in their minds and not forget how easily the hospital system came under pressure and the disgraceful waiting lists that we have now.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It's not looking good for the masks to go as retailers in UK are keeping them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    The PC war will probably start up now on masks

    # do the right thing protect your fellow citizen

    The sort of world were living in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    We won't know here whether good or bad as a decision is not for another 4 weeks anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,137 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Details are important though. The Guardian reports (my emphasis)

    England drops compulsory mask wearing in shops, vaccine certificates and work from home guidance

    Today is the day that England drops all the Plan B restrictions which were put in place ahead of the expected wave of Omicron infections.

    The move means compulsory mask wearing in shops and on public transport, guidance to work from home and vaccine certificates will be scrapped in England. Last week the government changed guidance to remove face mask wearing in classrooms in secondary schools.

    Health Secretary Sajid Javid said the success of the vaccine programme, coupled with a better understanding of treatment for the virus, is “allowing us to cautiously return to plan A, restoring more freedoms to this country”.

    The move comes as the UK as a whole recorded 102,292 new daily Covid cases, with the week-on-week average being slightly down. There were 346 deaths recorded yesterday.

    Public health guidance urging people to wear a face covering in crowded and enclosed spaces if coming into contact strangers will remain in place, the Government said. It also said organisations will be able to choose if they will require Covid passes from those visiting their venues.

    While the scrapping of measures have been welcomed by some, others have urged people to “be considerate to those around them” when it comes to choosing to wear a face covering, and to “be respectful” of policies in certain settings.

    Both Sainsbury’s and John Lewis said their customers will be asked to wear masks, though the latter acknowledged it will ultimately come down to “personal choice”.

    PA Media quote the British Retail Consortium saying the changes “will enable shopping to return to a more normal experience for customers, employees and businesses”.

    But their chief executive Helen Dickinson added: “Retailers ask customers to be considerate to those around them when choosing whether to wear a face covering and to respect the decision of other customers.”




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I know the legal side is dropped

    My fear now is that the corporates and the pc mob will now take over and keep this restriction going indefinitely



  • Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭Night owl gal


    Are the gp surgeries back to normal yet, ie no phone consultations?



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