Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Well I have the same name as my father so just used his pass, yeah I think I won 😂

It's obscene.

I don’t see much wrong with that thread tbh. Its not as if they are saying they are anxious about going back because they don’t feel safe in the workplace or because they are vulnerable etc.

I think I’d be the same if I had to go back to commuting etc.

The only thing they really did was get people under 30 vaccinated. As seen with the massive drop off on booster uptake,it was clear that it was to get the pass to go to pubs and restaurants. Despite what the media propaganda was hailing it as at the time.

But we all know at this stage, the young healthy people didn't need the vaccines and it did nothing to stop the spread

They are already preparing Canadians for food shortages. But it's totally OK and normal and nothing to panic about. Punishing those anti vaxx truckers who work alone is more important than full shelves

I completely disagree: unvaccinated were kept out because in the eyes of the vaccinated were the ones carrying the virus, and for this the covid cert restrictions were implemented. Then they realized that even with the vaccine you could get infected so the narrative changed and they started saying that, "yes, but less sick and less infected", still the unvaccinated were left out. Then they realized that there was basically no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated (remember 22nd of october and the u-turn the following week?) : still the unvaccinated were blamed because 50 of them were in ICU. But yeah big celebrations for whoever had a cert, finally they could enjoy a socially distanced pint till 8PM, and the narrative changed again: we cannot reopen because of those 50, we use the covid cert because we can save the unvaccinated from entering a place full of infected vaccinated otherwise they WILL end up ALL in icu. It took them a further 3 months for the science (this time the real one) to realize that mask and vaccination status doesn't make any difference: let's see how long it will last

I had a similar conversation over the weekend and the main reason for continuing to wear a mask was as you said, this idea of protecting others - even if those others are unmasked themselves and quite happy to get back to normal.

Mask wearing seems to have become more a virtue signalling morality crusade than anything to do with "the science" or health. When I asked what they'd do if they got on a bus of unmasked people, they admitted they'd probably take it off too.

To me this demonstrates the Irish need to "fit in" and be on the "right" side of an issue more than anything.

Interesting that mask wearing seems to have fallen away in Tesco though. I haven't been in a supermarket since last week (I hate grocery shopping and do it once a week 😊) but I must see what the mood is locally.

@foxsake

You can claim it for whatever biased reason you want - doesn't make your assertion true

I'm not going to claim there wasn't pressure to get vaccinated. Of course there was.

Do you think someone who doggedly refuses to give up the cigarettes because "pressure from the state and the media", deserves a medal?

There is always public health advice flying around. Is everyone who refuses to heed it also a hero fighting a battle against peer pressure?

Like I say, easy to "win" when the battle is entirely in your head.

As well as the virtue signalling there are still a large amount of people who think their surgical mask is keeping them safe. I’m blue in the face telling several elderly family members that it doesn’t, but they seem to need the safety blanket. This is why NPHET were against mask wearing at the start, anyone truly vulnerable should be paying attention to where they go, and not relying on strangers wearing bits of cloth.

That's true too. You only have to look at how quickly and widely Omicron spread to see how ineffective the cheap cloth masks are (which most are only wearing because of the legal requirements anyway).

Completely agree that a false sense of security has settled around their use. People who are vulnerable to Covid are probably just as vulnerable to a whole host of other things and should absolutely be responsible for their own safety and activities based on what their medical advice and history dictates.

When the analysis and reports into the last 2 years come out I think that's exactly what we discover, as well as that the mistakes made with nursing homes early on contributed hugely to the deaths and overreactions that followed in national policy. Also expect that we'll see scandals around spending and contract awards and that we spent a fortune that was largely unnecessary.

Of course, no-one will face any consequences for this. It'll be the public that has to live with it and pick up the tab as usual.

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Ah yes angry people randomly yelling at everyone else - that would have helped.

If it's anything like a lot of the posts on this thread - then yes.