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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


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    Ah yes angry people randomly yelling at everyone else - that would have helped.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭ kirk.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


    If it's anything like a lot of the posts on this thread - then yes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


    Leaving out a hell of a lot of reality there kaiser

    Masks are not only "cheap cloth masks". I reckon one in three people regularly wore medical type masks. Others I know wore multiple layer cloth masks which come with filters. But yes no maybe a number just wore "cheap cloth masks" and some of those only because they were a "legal requirement" without any concern for anyone else.

    You know what else is a legal requirement? Seatbelts and I'd be fairly certain some also bizarrely believe that they only provide a "false sense of security".

    We know Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as vaccination, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help reduce the risk of infection.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

    We also know that the Omicron variant was many times more infectious than previous strains. That doesn't mean that you get to throw all caution to the wind.

    Look we get it - you don't like masks despite the scientific evidence that they and other measures help reduce the risk of infection.

    And you seem to believe everyone should act like selfish morons Fine. Can we move on now that we've esestablished you believe that?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭ BruteStock


    The battle faced by unvaxers came in the form of a vax pass , which if not obtained - prevented them from any sort of social interaction in a pub , restaurant , cinema etc. That exclusion from society was real , not just "in their heads".

    Many - if not all unvaxers- were prepared to hold out for as long as it took before they were allowed back into society. None of them knew the vax pass would be vanquished on 22/02/22... For it to be done away with so early is most certainly a huge relief for them, so of course they feel good about not being pressured into getting vaxxed anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭ Sweet.Science


    There was always going to win though. Covid certs weren't going to last forever. Omicron sped the process up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


    Who says everyone wore a cheap "cloth mask" or used them incorrectly. That's just bs. Plenty of people wore medical type masks or multiple layer masks that used filters and used them properly.

    Just because some people may ignore common sense - it doesn't follow we have to accommodate them by getting rid of public safety protocols.

    I didnt bring up the bit about things which were legally required. And yes the other example of that is a seat belt. There's even the odd gobdaw who don't believe in using them either. Not that's something surprising, going by the type of ridiculous arguments being pounded by the outraged here against the use of masks .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


    To be fair Kaiser - it was yourself that suggested in the midst of a pandemic that "People ...should absolutely be responsible for their own safety and activities based on what their medical advice and history dictates" and everyone else should be free to do their own thing and implied that they were being selfish to those wanting to who want to do their own thing or wtte if they didn't

    Yes a good well fitted face mask combined with other preventive measures, such as getting vaccinated, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, has been shown to help reduce the risk of infection by the corona virus even from Omicron.

    That some eejits may not use facemasks correctly is not an argument for disregarding public health regulations.

    And without exception the only ones I see biatching about masks generally are the same anti masker / anti vaxers and generally anti everything related to any management of the pandemic. No change there then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


    What exactly has had "virtually zero effect on case numbers"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭ raind


    they obliterated the economy, they indirectly caused the death of god only knows how many patients that didn't get checked and diagnosed in time, they brought many people to take their own life

    I am sure there is actual evidence for these assertions and its not the usual baseless nonsense that infects this place?



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭ daydorunrun


    The only way the seat belt analogy would work would be if a large proportion of seat belts in use were made from elastic! They look the part until you need them to work.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


    "None of them knew the vax pass would be vanquished 22/02/22"

    "Vanquished"? where was the battle to defeat this arch enemy? I think I must have missed it

    And no the covid passport hasn't fully gone away. Its still needed in certain circumstances at least for a while yet and definitely is still required for international travel.

    So for anyone wishing to avoid reality there are plenty of opportunities still.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo



    And exactly how have you aligned those totals to your opinion that "(mask wearing) has virtually zero effect on case numbers"?

    Again does it really need repeated that the use of masks Face combined with other preventive measures, such as getting vaccinated, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help reduce the risk of infection?

    Why not blame the vaccinations? Or people not handwashing or people not distancing? Or maybe we should point out that people are perhaps mixing and socialising more than was the case with other strains at this time of the year or indeed this strain is much more infectious?

    Otherwise please quote and reference the study which shows that masks in combination with other measures have "virtually zero effect on case numbers"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ Mecanudo


    I have not seen any formal declaration that the pandemic is "over". Maybe some of us simply weren't privy to that memo.

    Understanding the use of face masks and other preventive measures as recommended, whilst covid is still circulating at fairly high (albeit decreasing) levels is hardly rocket science. If only to reduce the numbers / help to starve the virus of additional hosts and to bring about a quicker return to normality.

    As to the last part - your comments here do come across with some fairly enthusiastic anti mask rhetoric especially where you conflated all face masks with "cheap cloth masks" in your earlier comments or suggesting all masks were worthless because some fail to use them properly

    And its not so much as you suggest "masking up to feel better/ safer" rather simply following public heath advise and understanding that personal responsibility for the management of the spread of covid infections is not the sole reserve of the "old and sick". We all have a role to play there.

    Btw the "label" thing you referred to. That was simply following your lead with regard to the "pro maskers" type terminology in your previous comment.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 31,187 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    First recommendation....? How about "Put NPHET on a permanent footing" ....sure as night follows day....

    National Public Health Emergency Team is its title. There is no longer an emergency. They can be formed and dissolved by the MoH. Once masks go and associated rules go so do they as they have no rationale to exist anymore. Expert group will be interesting, more so in terms of how we can do things better the next time. At the end of the day all they can do is recommend and the report could be just shelved.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 31,187 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    People can do with masks as they see fit. We are probably 4 weeks off the end of them save in very specific areas so I really don't get why there is a need for a rerun of a 2020 argument at this very late stage.



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