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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I love hearing all the curtain twitchers losing their sh!t on the radio this morning because its too dangerous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,575 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    I couldn't agree with you more but schools are obliged to enforce it still as they have to follow their COVID plans. Even the 3-6 class have to wear masks which was a recent addition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    They're making 3 year olds wear masks now??

    Did I miss something or was this quietly slipped in after the public backlash.

    Are these "rules" still only recommendations at least?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    They mean 3rd class to 6th class.

    3 year olds don't go to school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    No it's 1st class and up I think which would imply 6/7 year olds. Technically they are "rules" but to my knowledge Teachers haven't been enforcing them in the past and won't start enforcing it now



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    3rd class and up. And it's not being enforced any more (we never enforced it in the first place, we said public health have advised it, and left it at that). A few kids come in at 9 with a mask around their chin, but by 12 o'clock there's not one to be seen.

    It's all for show, pointless really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    It’s not 1st class up the advice is 3rd to 6th Class

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The argument for keeping Masks in certain places is that if you are in a vulnerable category can "choose" to stay away from Pubs/Nightclubs etc. but you may have no option but to travel on Public transport , go to a shop or indeed go to school/work.

    So they are keeping the masks there for a little while longer which I can see the logic for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,575 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    I can understand the mask part but students must still sit 1m apart in classrooms (2nd level), can't do group work, can't use dressing rooms for PE or sports etc etc. Masks would be the least part of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Well fair enough, that would be 9/10 year olds so if I recall my primary school days?



  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    I thought I was delighted the 8pm curfew was gone, but having had time to reflect and being on the second day of a 2 day hangover.... I think not closing pubs at 8 is a bad idea!

    Haven't felt positive energy in Ireland like what I experienced last Saturday night for a long time.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They will not tweak any remaining measures; they will either stay in place as they are or go in their entirety. February 28 may be a good bet for the end of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Those whole sh1tshow has turned me against government and the media

    Never was the anti government type



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Given you have the likes of Pat Kenny calling for 2 year olds to be masked previously, it wouldn't surprise me if they had tried something in playschools as well.

    Kids, period, shouldn't be masked. It's actually depressing to see them in shops with them because some people still think there's a "deadly virus" out there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭shmeee


    Yes, 2 pubs I was in over weekend were back to normal pre March 2020 as per the new regulations. And it was a fecking joy to behold.

    But one restaurant / pub still had (mask needed, table service only etc) Like WTF? This was yesterday afternoon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    They have won this battle because dispite the best efforts of the media and Politicians the general public never turned against the unvaccinated, the unvaccinated have as much freedom today as the vaccinated, footfall was down substantially in pubs for the last 6 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    If they keep that up they'll find business falls off a cliff. No one will put up with that now when everywhere else is back to normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Won what battle? The purpose of covid certs was to keep unvaccinated people out of high-risk areas and help prevent overloaded hospitals. I think you'll find in reality the covid certs won.

    The unvaccinated have "won" nothing. Certs weren't dropped because of them. There was never a campaign or plan to force vaccinations that they "fought" against. They literally had to "fight" by doing nothing.

    In anti-vaxxer heads they believe there was some grand plan to force everyone to get vaccinated and lock them out of society. And they've "won" by holding firm.

    Really easy to win a battle when your foe is completely imaginary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭shmeee


    I didn't hang around there too long, was in and out. Couldn't get my head around it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen. What fcuking planet are these people living on?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Very interesting and concerning to hear Angelique Coetzee, the South African doctor who was first saying Omicron is mild back in November and that European countries were overreacting, say today that she faced immense pressure from European politicians not to say that Omicron was mild.

    It fits with the continuing reluctance to lift restrictions and the chasing of mandate legislation by some of the more... historically predisposed. But it makes you wonder why.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_



    Reading the above it reminds me of how we were "advised" to accept the Bailout:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33185690

    I keep saying it, the EU is not a good thing as a political entity. Maybe it's as simple as them having overestimated the long term impact and locking themselves into vaccine deals with the Pharma companies, but when you see German police out with Covid Sticks like in the above video, who knows?!

    If some don't want speculation and conspiracy theories it would certainly help if the authorities and decision-makers stopped doing bizarre things without justification or explanation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    If the point of the covid certs were as you say, you would expect the media worriers to be concerned about potential rising infections and hospital ovewhelm.

    They're not. They're worried about no longer having a means to coerce people into vaccination. And they are saying so openly.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I used to see "anti-vaxxer" as an insult. And then they changed the definition to mean that anyone against vaccination or vaccine mandates is an anti-vaxxer.

    Funny thing, I've been a proud anti-vaxxer ever since.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭walus


    Ultimately the pandemic showed that it is not the first order often most immediate consequences of our decisions that matter but those 2nd and 3rd order consequences that we ought to optimise for. It is only now that the latter will come up to the surface and will be judged.

    Fundamentals for dealing with covid have been very solid from the early days. We knew that it affected very tiny portion of the population with everybody else with virtually at zero risk. If anything the fundamentals improved over time while the strategy of dealing with covid went the opposite direction - measures became more and more disproportional to the risk. That is something that needs to be answered as there is a massive gap between the science & data and policies that were forced upon us.

    Hats off to those men and women who early on saw the pandemic for what it was and those who were not afraid to change their minds in time. It has been a pandemic of a very mild virus with totalitarian measures designed to enforce compliance and desired behaviour of the population.

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    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,884 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    This pandemic has taught me a lot about government and media

    Maybe they know what they're doing but I dunno I'll take my chanches from here on in



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Not according to Merriam Webster, which (correct me if I'm wrong) is considered a greater authority on word definitions than Astrofool of boards dot ie.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Open to correction,but was Germany's social distance set at 1.5 Metre ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,884 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That's mad, I'll stick to the Oxford or dictionary.com definitions (I know they changed the wording slightly on MW but that was a minor update on what was already there).



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I agree that it's mad.

    But I also object to being called an anti-vaxxer as someone who's taken (and had their children take) all other vaccines ever offered (plus a few I had to seek out myself), has volunteered to help with measles uptake efforts in the past, has never advised anyone else not to take a vaccine, but has reservations about vaccines made on a condensed timeline with novel ingredients. So your mileage may vary, regardless.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Do you have a link ?

    I have thought this from Omicron Day 1.

    "Our" authorities,who would have been all over the RSA like a rash,had their Omicron been worse outcomes,chose to initially ignore,then attempt to dilute the VERY steady stream of hard statistical information emanating from South Africa,referring to oul blarney about population age,AIDS,Vaccine resistance etc etc.

    Anybody looking for a definition of Racism,has to look no further than OUR Politco/Medical elite and their behaviour over the past 2 months !

    Statisticians,Modellers and Viroligists.......Self proclaimed and self promoting chancers in the main.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    It was all an exercise to see who is the most compliant and the irish were pretty great ( or stupid ) there will be other virus down the line this was to get a picture of just how far the governments can push us and a lot of lemmings got or rather ran over the cliff for them.. the next time they will be worse & even harder on us and after that and so on and so on . But at least they, Leo & Michael are happy that the irish were teachers pets ....... the best in show the european lap dogs panting for a pat on the head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I saw it on Twitter. It wasn't this tweet in particular I don't think but it looks like the same video. https://twitter.com/abirballan/status/1485544167002488832

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    Well I have the same name as my father so just used his pass, yeah I think I won 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    I don't know where to begin.


    Maybe look at influenza vaccine. The vaccine is typically ineffective after six months. The covid19 vaccine wears off too hence the need for more.... It's not like a polio vaccine that gives life long immunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    If you're ever wondering why the lockdown went ok on so long have a read of this

    in fairness, doctors in hospital find it hard to relate the deadly 2020 wave to Omicron and fair play to NPHET this time for ending the pandemic but still seems a lot of people want to work from home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭User1998


    I don’t see much wrong with that thread tbh. Its not as if they are saying they are anxious about going back because they don’t feel safe in the workplace or because they are vulnerable etc.

    I think I’d be the same if I had to go back to commuting etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Fragile supply chains put under pressure by vaccine mandates. Hopefully the protests against this in Canada can help to ensure the future food supply.

    Trucker protest against vaccine mandates in British Columbia.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The only thing they really did was get people under 30 vaccinated. As seen with the massive drop off on booster uptake,it was clear that it was to get the pass to go to pubs and restaurants. Despite what the media propaganda was hailing it as at the time.

    But we all know at this stage, the young healthy people didn't need the vaccines and it did nothing to stop the spread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Anti-science was another one thrown out there.

    If people said they wanted to wait until the long term side effects were known then they were anti-science. Most people using the term anti-science in any of the debates on vaccinations didn't seem to understand what science even is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Not saying there's anything wrong but I am saying there is a cohort happier with restrictions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭User1998


    To be fair, they are happier working from home, they don’t mention anything about being happier with restrictions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    They are already preparing Canadians for food shortages. But it's totally OK and normal and nothing to panic about. Punishing those anti vaxx truckers who work alone is more important than full shelves





  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    "Science" has come to mean (to some) something like "the stuff that the 'experts' (as decided by the media and politicians) say on any given day". It is ever changing, but treated as an institution all the same.

    Knowing that science is a process that requires the errors of today for the progress of tomorrow is not very in vogue right now.

    Speaking of science - I bumped into an acquaintance in Tesco earlier. She was one of the only people wearing a mask and, despite me not asking, made sure to let me know that she was only wearing it out of consideration for others, just in case she's infected, you know.

    She'd gone to the trouble of acquiring an FFP2 mask... with a valve. 🤦‍♀️

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭darconio


    I completely disagree: unvaccinated were kept out because in the eyes of the vaccinated were the ones carrying the virus, and for this the covid cert restrictions were implemented. Then they realized that even with the vaccine you could get infected so the narrative changed and they started saying that, "yes, but less sick and less infected", still the unvaccinated were left out. Then they realized that there was basically no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated (remember 22nd of october and the u-turn the following week?) : still the unvaccinated were blamed because 50 of them were in ICU. But yeah big celebrations for whoever had a cert, finally they could enjoy a socially distanced pint till 8PM, and the narrative changed again: we cannot reopen because of those 50, we use the covid cert because we can save the unvaccinated from entering a place full of infected vaccinated otherwise they WILL end up ALL in icu. It took them a further 3 months for the science (this time the real one) to realize that mask and vaccination status doesn't make any difference: let's see how long it will last



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,884 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    See, you're still.posting complete nonsense about the effectiveness of vaccines, its still the binary works or doesn't work when even at the very beginning, everything was percentages, now, hopefully we're at the end stage of this and it won't matter soon and this is one last attempted mental gymnastics.

    I mean, nothing you've posted is in any way scientific, why pretend.



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