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Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,429 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just on the outdoor boozing.

    What you need to do is get your local council to pass a bye-law to make it illegal to drink alcohol in that amenity area.

    Then any instances of outdoor drinking must be reported to AGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes but try and find out exactly what same women want and it's not so clear. Can we/they point to any society in Europe or the world, that we should emulate in this regard? I'm not sure it exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Well I've said before that your "compliment" is some other persons street harassment, so as they are on the recieveing end of it, they dont need to accept your definition of it.

    It's been clearly demonstrated here that some people here see whistling as a compliment (they'd be chuffed) when whistling is street harassment Rule 1. So your idea of a compliment and someone elses are clearly very different. So they might think they are complimenting someone by whistling at them, when clearly they are not.

    The word "compliment" is wide open to interpretation and as lad said yesterday and you never really answered.....have you eve considered the mad idea of just minding your own business?



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Threads like this actually do help men.

    I don't believe the international men's day did.

    I don't believe it's fair that we have **** using the death of a woman as a catalyst to talk about how scary men are and how they aren't doing enough for women.

    But it's acceptable to do that with men.

    Would you do that for any other group of people? No. Because you know it would be unfair and wrong.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Niamh on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Yeah, needing a licence to go out socially. As in how to behave.

    You can talk about what you like, you asked me to post links, no, do it yourself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Deflect me bollox. Stick me on mute or block me if you don't like what I say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I tell you one thing, and I don’t mean to offend, but you are coming across as someone very unwilling to compromise.

    And when folks disagree with you, they’re met with stuff like “you’re not listening.” It’s quite patronising.

    even in the last post or so you’re again bringing up me and this whistling stuff. Seriously, let it go. We disagree on parts of things.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have. I considered it a lot. I thankfully didn't. I chanced my arm, approached a girl and gave her a compliment and now she and I are happily married.

    I don't do it any more (happily married).

    But yeah, I'm on the recieving end of your definition here and I don't need need to accept that when I say compliment, it's automatically street harassment.

    If a shopkeeper calls a female customer "my dear" or "sweetheart" is that harassment in your eyes?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Do you actually believe that all men need dedicated training to learn how to behave socially?

    Some of your posts on previous topics have demonstrated your belief that society and Boards should conform to your ideals, but the suggestion that men are identikit simpletons unable to function normally around women is nothing but misandry presented in a schoolmarmish manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No offence taken at all.

    I would levy the same back at you.

    And the patronising bit too.

    I dont want to make it look like it was just you with the whistling thing and it was not just you, but it clearly shows that one persons compliment is another's insult. It is relevant to the thread, in fairness. I've no problem with you disagreeing it.



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  • Posts: 966 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who cares what "Sam McConkey" (a complete nobody) thinks about anything? 😀 Had never even heard of him before today.

    Clearly just another leech trying to attract attention for himself by exploiting a tragic situation. Ignore and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    I guess you did not like me telling you to post your own links, then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    You didn't say anything about posting links you posted some shite and went off to annoy a few of the other posters. Jeez . Memory like a sieve girl .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Never heard of him meself, when people starting saying Sam I thought I was in trouble for something



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a concern if it's taken up by a rake of others in the media or those with the ability to reach a wide number of people.

    Ideas come forth like this one, and if unchallenged, are allowed to form the basis for future social change. Once ideas such as "men" being a definite threat to women gain acceptance.. then more bizarre ideas become normalised, and supported. It's how feminist driven change occurred, even when any sensible person would realise that it goes against the objective of equality between the genders. That's what happened in the US with the PC cultural changes and it'll end up happening here.

    If unchallenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Where was the president and all the ministers for his funeral? Or the funeral of the lady stabbed to death on christmas eve?

    The sentence of that family who abused, raped and neglected their own family says everything about society. The father who had 31 cases against him got 15 years and the mother who also sexually assaulted the children with 25 cases against her only got 9. The aunt with 3 cases of sexual assault got a year for each of those. Most will probably not even serve the full time for their actions.

    Something is very wrong. There is a major difference in this country regarding how we look at crimes and sentencing and also responsibility. It is based on who you are, where you are from, gender and resources. Previous convictions only seem to matter if it's murder and how many people will go before the courts to say how great and nice you are even if you have 100 convictions already. Juries also need to answer for a lot, there has been some very questionable verdicts regarding some cases.

    Judges won't take responsibility for letting people with multiple convictions out with little or no time, sentencing is a joke in this country. People don't want to take responsibility for their actions including how they raise their children. Child services won't take responsibility, if little scumbags commit a crime while under their care, their excuse is we don't have the recourses. Psychiatric services use the same excuse, we don't have the resource and let people out who are very dangerous when they don't take their medication. There seem to be a pass the book mentality and no one with a pair to do do something. Increase sentencing and hold people to account and civil liberties will say it's not Billy Bobs or Mary's fault because mammy or daddy didn't love them enough.

    Billy Bob beats the crap out of the kids or partner and gets 5 with 2 years off for good behavior. Mary beats the crap out of the kids and neglects them but get off because she is a single mother and life has been hard for her. Or if she had a breakdown, if she kills them gets sent to a psychiatric hospital and could get out in a year.

    You can't mention where a suspect is from if they are not from Ireland because it's seen as racist, someone questions why foreign people with convictions are allowed in and it's racist. I haven't seen anyone take Australia or other countries to court citing racism because they refuse to let people come into their country to holiday or live if they have serious convictions. It's forbidden to mention that some cultures value life very differently so why is it bad to want to keep people living in Ireland safe and check everyone coming in for criminal convictions and stop them if they do. It's common sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,429 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    if a shopkeeper calls a female customer "my dear" or "sweetheart" is that harassment in your eyes?

    On Sunday I was in a narrow part of a shop and moved to let a lady pass. She said "thanks luvvie" Should she be prosecuted?



  • Posts: 966 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair point. I still don't know who he is, and don't feel he warrants a Google. My guess, though, is he's just another 'funded/influenced by NGO' type shill looking to chip away at the traditional family unit. The usual bullshit.

    He should be blacklisted for trying to use this girl's death as part of an ulterior agenda.



  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    President and politicians go where PR people tell them. Their image is all that concerns them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,429 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    How the heck can you argue against his position if you don't know who he is and what he said?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Depending on previous convictions she should be looking at at least 1 year with 4 months suspended. She be out after a few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,310 ✭✭✭amacca


    That's what baffles me, one would think he would have more cop on than to say such an idiotic thing.

    Perhaps it's more one can't voice ones opinion (even if backed up by reason/logic/data) if it doesn't match what the mob are saying. They might turn on him?

    Or ...if one did voice an opinion that doesn't suit the narrative you may not get as much airtime?

    I mean in the cold light of day the man hardly thinks the only criteria for doing any kind of compulsory course should be gender or that this would represent some sort of solution to antisocial behaviour and women (we won't bother mentioning men here) feel unsafe on the streets.....I mean that would make him a moron right? And he's clearly not one of those?


    It's also possible that someone who is quite brilliant in their field might be relatively ignorant and uninformed on another...if that's the case then why is he on the national airwaves offering the kinds of solutions to these problems that as far as I can see won't work and probably only sow division and make the problem worse along with deflecting attention away from actions that might improve the situation if they were taking.


    It's my opinion this kind of uninformed I'll thought out twaddle is doing a disservice to every citizen of the country regardless of their gender and it shows most of these commentators are nothing but bandwagoning gravy trainers we should all be turning the dial away from.....and instead be looking for reform of criminal justice system (particularly with respect to antisocial behaviour repeat offenders) more community policing etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Nail on the head, and not one presenter male or female saying all this is way over the top. Because they are afraid they would lose their jobs.

    Yet every person I have talked to male and female have said very tragic circumstances but crazy publicity.



  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lenient sentencing again. Probably have a sob story for the judge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,033 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Prime Time,

    Miriam's turn to give her views, that opening story was so sad.😌



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Because when women say that they continually feel harassed, unsafe, objectified, as part of any other conversations, they are told to stop talking about it. Like it or not, but the message from them is that many actions by men make them feel unsafe.

    They have gone further and said that they absolutely know that it isn't all men, but that when something starts, they don't know is this going to be a person or an occasion that is at least unpleasant, or at worse dangerous. If this is the case, how do you propose making women feel safer?

    Should they have to live with this nervousness if not outright danger just so that men can avoid entirely any sort of conversation that would suggest they might be able to help?



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ni change whatsoever. I have no time for vigilantism. Particularly when it may affect the outcome of a criminal investigation.

    Big difference in what I'm saying here, society standing up and calling out anti social and bad behaviour, is not vigilantism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Actually she pulled the "you'd better not leave me to fend for myself in this state" card and "made" me add her on Facebook to message and make sure she got home safely. Sneaky shenanigans at their finest 😂

    Wasn't a long relationship we ended up having but it's been a lifelong friendship ever since.

    The colour coding thing is tongue-in-cheek obviously but the issue behind it is very real - it's very clear that anewme and some other posters on this thread just don't want to be spoken to by strangers in the public realm, and certainly not with a view to flirting. Others, however, myself included, absolutely live for such interactions and are delighted when someone randomly decides to approach us in such a manner.

    The issue I have is that one side is portraying itself as universally "right", and denying the other side's existence. By extension, they are attempting to write and enforce a universal social code based on their own introverted way of wanting to experience life in the public realm - even if it means that those who are extroverted end up being absolutely miserable as a result, because those of us who are, desperately do want to be approached by strangers for everything from platonic chats to flirtatious encounters. For me, such interactions (rarely initiated by me I might add, due to the aforementioned confidence issues!) are very often the highlight of otherwise very dull days - and I absolutely do not want to live in this world others seem to be calling for, wherein "someone out in public is to be considered to be in an unpoppable bubble and not to be communicated with, certainly not flirtatiously".

    I wouldn't ever want to exist in such a bubble. The pandemic largely forced us to and my mental health took an absolute nosedive specifically because of the lack of interactions and small talk, flirtatious or otherwise, with random people I'd meet. Maybe my local town is different to most or maybe I give off a particular vibe, I don't know, but in non-pandemic times these kinds of random comments would happen to me fairly often, and as someone who grew up feeling perma-rejected, they mean the absolute world to me when they happen.

    By the standards of this thread, more or less any woman I've ever dated (apart from those met through Tinder or other apps) "harassed" me by approaching me since she was a stranger. As indeed did the first woman I ever kissed. As did someone I ended up kissing after we won a table quiz in the pub. Etc. The standard some folks here are pushing for would see actual come-ons like this automatically regarded as "harassment" despite the fact that while some people don't want any kind of flirtatious approaches from strangers during their average day, others, like myself, take enormous confidence boosts from such approaches and are rewarded psychologically with a gigantic dopamine hit and an extra "spring" in our step if someone randomly says "oi mate, nice hair!" or "your shirt is class!" or "you remind me of <insert attractive celebrity here>".

    Personally I can't imagine anything more depressing than a world in which people never vocalise those thoughts because they've been taught that it's wrong to do so. I live for those moments. Always have. So there are definitively two sides to this situation.

    Obviously people who want to exist in a bubble have every right to want to do that and every right not to be bothered by strangers - but there has to be some middle ground other than moulding the entire structure of society around people who feel that way, at the utter expense of those of us who feel the opposite. A poster like anewme never wants to be serenaded by a stranger, a poster like myself absolutely does. As things stand in this thread, those of us who crave such interactions are expected to go without them in a hypothetical future in which nobody initiates them with us in case we're one of the people who isn't into it. But that feels hugely unfair, because for those of us who do enjoy being approached in this way, surely our belief in them as happy moments is just as valid as others' belief in them as horrible moments of 'harassment'?

    It's a matter of perspective. The idea that a come-on from a stranger is a horrible violation is one valid perspective. One. But it's not the only one. The perspective that such moments are immensely enjoyable ego-boosts is an equally valid perspective. And the latter shouldn't have their enjoyment of life sacrificed to appease the former. Some posters here never want to be spoken to by strangers in the street, others such as myself absolutely welcome more or less any and all interactions (flirtatious or not) with strangers in the street, if they decide to approach. Our perspective is not "wrong", just as the perspective of those who don't want any such interactions is not "wrong" - but many of them are acting as if their perspective is the universal truth, and people like me don't exist at all - or should just be quiet and allow those who want to socially outlaw such interactions to lead the charge on that without any opposition from those of us who don't want to live in a world in which it is considered socially unacceptable for strangers to speak to us in public places.

    There are two sides to this. Currently, only one side is seen as having a valid opinion - and if the people holding that opinion get their way, those of us who hold different opinions will see our enjoyment of life sacrificed as "collateral damage". Our worlds will become lonelier and less enjoyable in order to appease those who don't share our enjoyment of strangers coming over to talk to us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Judges can go fook emselves.

    Best mate today, no previous anything , got 10 years with 2 suspended for growing some weed. Fair enough it was a nice amount but having no record and growing plants he got 10 years whereas jimmy bob Nolan with 120 convictions will get off with major assault cos someone farted near him in 1984 .



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