Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

walshb

There seems to be some fever about post 870 and it being racist. OTT exaggeration.

The last sentence may have read a wee bit like a pop, but you can hardly label it racist.

We all know who the gardai have arrested. The person is not a born and bred Irishman from what I am reading. So the poster pointed this out. Big deal.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497665#Comment_118497665

The post never mentioned it may or may not turn out the perpetrator was raised here. It said he wasn't Irish.

Now, I've not seen anyone comment that the some men who need to change their behaviour or step up or whatever are just Irish, in fact, I've not seen anywhere that only Irish men can be out of order.

Anyway, people can come to their own conclusion.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497316#Comment_118497316

If someone imagines the scale of a particular threat, you can't tackle said imaginary threat ,all you can do is treat the anxiety

People can be anxious over completely non existent threats ,this isn't non existent but it's very small and does not require a root and branch reform of anything bar sentencing, police Street presence and immigration vetting policy.

That would improve crime figures across the board

john123470

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498099#Comment_118498099

" ... We all know who the gardai have arrested. The person is not a born and bred Irishman from what I am reading. So the poster pointed this out .."

No matter. They will still be barking at the walls. Just for someting to bark at.

It's what they do

The recent media driven frenzy re "correcting Irish men's behaviour toward women" .. allowed the Government to very neatly duck the pertinent questions :

- What are you going to do about the woefully inadequate sentencing for repeat offenders / serious crime ? -

- Why are repeat offenders out walking the streets to repeat offend ?

- What are you going to do about under-policing - close more rural police stations ? -

the above for the Minister for Justice, a woman, Ms Helen McEntee. If Ms McEntee were a male, would she be getting such a free ride on this ?

Meanwhile, it suits the government narrative to have men and women up and down the country pulling each others' hair out

Irish Media just sing the government line as is apparent from the recent relentless, oppressive Covid coverage. Not a whisper of positivity. All gloom n doom. Day in, day out

BOConnor's programme kicked off last Sunday morning with a woman spouting an endless list (like a letter to Santa Claus) of how she wanted Irish men to change their behavious in society. Browbeating all around her. Nary a challenge. Using a girl's senseless murder to scare the bejasus out of an already nervous populace

And it hasn't stopped since

It is sad that we, Irish men and women, are so easily led by Media

It is sad that we are largely ruled by ineffective men and women who are not really in it for you and I. Nothing changes

It is sad that we don't get it

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498161#Comment_118498161

The problem with the generalisations about men in the last few days is that when you do that about one demographic it is hypocritical to criticise those who will surely do it about another demographic ie immigrants

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498189#Comment_118498189

There is a man arrested, not convicted, same as last week, arrested. The man last week was released. This one could be too.

Is it not due process to wait until the Court case is concluded before making these comments.

Should the mods not be removing these posts where people are convicted without due process?

I havent seen any person anywhere say that the problem is unique to Ireland or Irish men.

People reading here can make their own minds up.

DontHitTheDitch

For god's sake, no-one is saying it's all men.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40787319.html

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498244#Comment_118498244

Paper never refuses ink.

I for one have never wolf whistled at anyone. And I will not be shamed by anyone for the actions of another.

I'll still go about my life without bearing the guilt of a few people.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498161#Comment_118498161

What a pile of waffle. Read the thread. Everything from Irish men paying compliments to Irish mothers treating their sons well have been blamed for women feeling unsafe in Ireland. There has been no discussion of any other nationalities. If there was the likes of you would have jumped on it and had the thread shut down for alleged "racism". He wasn't Irish, he wasn't raised in Ireland. It was on the news yesterday that he was not from Ireland and had lived in multiple European countries before landing in Tullamore a few years ago

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498216#Comment_118498216

Where in my post do I reference any case or individual?

And with my mod hat on yes any posts that could potentially prejudice an investigation will be deleted and we will be erring on the side of caution.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498290#Comment_118498290

I think you are failing to understand what I am saying here.

Where did it say anything about Irish men paying compliments? Are you seeing the word Irish written where it does not exist.

Who is this "he" you are talking about. The man arrested now, or the one arrested last week?

Was the one last week the killer as well?

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498297#Comment_118498297

I'm not saying you personally, I'm referencing the post saying the killer is not Irish when we dont know who the killer is yet.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498304#Comment_118498304

It's an Irish website, talking about an Irish murder, reported by and Irish media circus and Irish editorials about how terrible men are, with the Irish government talking about changing Irish laws to make it "safer" for Irish women?

I wonder where i'm getting the idea it's about Irish men.

the kelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498244#Comment_118498244

Oh FFS,

What a pile of hogwash.

Heres a quote from this article  "the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body" yep 100% agree yet the bold Fergus didnt think the effin same when it came to the Vaccine though.

Comparing the argument of "its not all men" to priests who abused children i mean seriously!

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498309#Comment_118498309

In what possible way, shape or form would someone stating that the murderer isn't Irish prejudice an investigation?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498278#Comment_118498278

Never "wolf whistled" or" cat called " myself either, I'd feel like an idiot but I wouldn't go making it a crime

One observation about this potential clamp down on male behaviour, how will it effect guys of African ethnicity?

Black guys are a lot more expressive - animated when it comes to interaction and No I am not saying that is wrong, it's just their way but an African American or black British young guy will strut up a lot more expressively than you're average white dude

Might it be that like travellers and " grabbing " , ethnic groups will be exempt?, wouldn't surprise knowing the kind of advocates we've been hearing from

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498327#Comment_118498327

You should not need to have to ask that question. Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty?

Because there is no conviction. So there is no one guilty of murder as yet.

You seem to be getting confused and making assumptions that when a person is arrested they are the murderer. Person was arrested last week too. Did you find him guilty last week?

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498343#Comment_118498343

You haven’t answered the question that I asked about your ridiculous statement.

In what way, shape or form will stating that the killer is not Irish prejudice the case?

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498327#Comment_118498327

Mod note - No idea but don't do it anyway until you can quote a credible article verifying the claim.

rightmove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497947#Comment_118497947

better stay away from the indo editorial. Actually I stopped reading the other daily papers along time ago and will now add the indo to that list.

Leg End Reject

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/man-arrested-in-relation-to-ashling-murphy-murder-investigation-41251958.html

"Lived in a number of European countries before coming to Ireland"

Yes, it's the Indo, but RTE had reported he was from central Europe before editing the report.

That's where people are getting it from.

There's enough information there for anyone who knows him to identify him. I've already posted that this kind of detail shouldn't be made public until he's charged.

TheChizler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498375#Comment_118498375

In fairness I think the problem is with the insinuation that the person arrested is possibly not Irish, therefore the murderer is not Irish, therefore the person arrested is the murderer. The problem isn't with the nationality, its the implied guilt.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497903#Comment_118497903

Oh again I agree with much of what you're saying Tell. However it would be my opinion that one of the main reasons feminism and gender equality gained traction was actually little enough to do with activism and far more to do with basic economics supporting it*. It's a good maxim to always follow the money.

And what happened with 'feminism'? In very short order western economies found themselves with double the consumers and double the workers. And when that happened it also meant the average family household had to have both men and women working to feed that new reality. We have all now come to accept that as the norm. Daddy and mammy working to keep ahead of the loan repayments, men and women waiting until much later in life to 'settle down' and start families with a fair few issues on the back of that. Feminists often point out that being a housewife and mother was unpaid work, that if you had to hire a cleaner and child minder look how much that would cost. And they're 100% dead right, but IMHO coming at it from the wrong angle. Being a housewife couldn't be monetised and when nigh on half your population can't be monetised economies don't like that. Far better to have mammy and daddy working away in a cubicle, to pay for cleaners and childminders, who in turn move money through the economy.

On the other hand masculinism or whatever you'd want to call it 😁 offers pretty much no gains for an economy. One might argue quite the opposite. So I can't see much of a backlash even against the wackier ends of neofeminism coming any time soon.

*Look at slavery in the west. It's no great coincidence that it finaily went the way of the dodo where it still existed when steam power came along. In the US post civil war they also developed a penal system that targeted now free Blacks so they got a load of them for 'free' anyway. Mass production made a difference too. When Henry Ford started to pay his workers well, some were shocked at this, but he realised if you pay people enough to buy the stuff they're making, sales and profits go up.

@Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498343#Comment_118498343

@Fandymo Fair enough. He probably should have said "the man arrested for her murder isn't Irish".

Anewme is pivoting away from the reason we are talking about this post though. You didn't bring it up because you thought it was wrong that a man was not given due process. You brought it up because you said it was clear as day that it was racist.

Do you take that back?

rightmove

no the problem here is that the media and the feminists have such power over the message (any message) that they think they can castigate men for anything (basically anything .. the newspapers every day are a litany of anti male opinions) they feel like at anytime anywhere in this country and it will go unchallenged..... We had it with the pandemic (women suffer more nonsense). Men are getting sick of it at this stage.

Can anyone just give me a logical argument to explain how exactly society (well, just the men) "turns a blind eye" to random violence against women despite it being far less prevalent than violence against men and it generates a few stronger response?

I know, I know, whataboutery. Well, it's kind of hard to not to a comparison if the claim is that one group is worse off.

Every group will use any situation, however tragic, to run with their own narrative.

Look back over the last 24 months in Ireland at all that has happened, all the outcry from groups etc. It is just that, people using any reason to shout loud, get away with non-sense and then say " sure wasnt I right all along"

If you say every day its going to rain, you will be right some times.

I think people being people are the biggest issue. Unfortunately there is no cure for stupidity, be that people raising kids stupidity, or people acting and saying stupid things.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498534#Comment_118498534

There is zero logic to it.

Every man woman and child I have spoken to was shocked, appalled and disgusted by the horrific murder.

Somehow though, it has been spun that men are to blame for it and for making women feel unsafe (despite statistics proving it to be not the case).

As has been repeated, this accusation would rightfully be vilified if ANY other demographic was used in place of men, yet it's not only tolerated, it's encouraged.

The saddest thing is seeing articles like the one above, with a man performing self flagellation in the hopes that the feminist brigade spare him.

DontHitTheDitch

If someone is charged, we can expect the articles to start rolling in saying now is the time for the media to step back and let justice run its course. As I said the other day, it's almost irrelevant who the actual killer is, the talking heads have already identified who is responsible.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498477#Comment_118498477

But all of those details will come out and be reported before a court case, do you not remember the "Famous Irish Sportsperson" who was arrested for sexual assault a year or so ago? So again I fail to see how someone's nationality, or lack of nationality as I never mentioned this guys, could prejudice a case.

And it's not an insinuation, it was, and still is, in a national newspaper.

"The man, aged in his 30s, had lived in the Tullamore area with his family including young children for several years.

He is understood to have lived in a number of other European countries before coming to Ireland.".