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Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Hodger


    For years I usually always read about the local court cases in the local newspapers somethings always stick to mind. One particular case guy seriously another guy he gets a two to three year prison sentence but gets out of prison after one year with the rest suspended. While he is back out an Incident occurs where he assaults his on and off girlfriend plus ends up getting convicted of manslaughter and goes off to serve an 8 to 10 year sentence.

    Since he has being back out once again from prison he has managed to father a child with someone else its beyond me how any woman could ever get Involved with the guy in question in any way shape of form given all of his past behavior but as some say some women do have a thing for bad boys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'm not sure we are living in a safe period of history. We are only safe 'cos there's cameras everywhere and criminals get caught by the most ingenious means. Can you imagine what society would be like if we had the equivalent of a Medieval police force? No street cameras, no fingerprinting, no genetic analysis...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The takeaway from this is that he kept getting out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Well, in the Sam McConkey interview, on which this thread is based, one of the panelists suggested that if a man is walking at night, alone behind a woman or sees a woman walking towards him, maybe he should cross the street to make sure she knows he's not a threat. I see that as something I certainly could do but I don't think I have any intention to do it. I'll probably just continue to walk and mind my own business in the way I've always done.

    I won't take offence if the woman wants to cross the road, that's her choice and if it makes her feel happier, she's entitled to do it. But I'll just mind my own business and walk as normal.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Which means we ARE living in the safest period of history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Hodger


    Exactly he shouldn,t of kept getting out. After he was convicted of manslaughter the family of the victim themselves stated if hadn,t of being out on suspended sentence and was serving the time he was supposed to serve rather then suspending the rest of his sentence for his conviction for assault the manslaughter case wouldn,t of happened the lenient system we have I blame 100%.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I answered your initial questions, and that led to more questions, rather than any degree of acceptance.

    I see no value in your questions, because regardless of what I say, I know you will follow up with more questions. You'll simply throw out more scenarios, trying to suggest that the behaviors I have should be re-examined.

    I wonder if you realise that your approach to this isn't even remotely subtle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I myself have done this before, as I didn't want the woman to possibly feel uncomfortable or frightened.

    I can well understand a female feeling uncomfortable/frightened at night in a secluded area should she come into contact with a man.

    It's just a natural feeling/reaction I'd imagine. Bottom line is that vast majority men won't strike, but women cannot know which ones these are, hence they have to be thinking that it can be any man.

    Males can feel it as well if they are out and encounter a male(s) when dark and in a secluded area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Hodger



    As to what is Unacceptable male behavior everyone will differ' some have stated on this thread men shouldn,t compliment women they don,t know while others will disagree with this viewpoint.

    What is definitely unacceptable in my view such is not taking no for an answer or not backing off when you are told to.


    Two cases spring to mind years ago one night I was out with my friend his girlfriend and two of her friends at a late night bar a Turkish or Pakistani guy approaches us and starts to try chat up one of the girls she signals she wants to move to another section of the bar we all move' a few minutes later he comes over to us and proceeds to start to chat up the same girl in the group she looks at myself and my friend the other male in the group trying to signal would you say something to him we say look would you stop following us around here the lady is not interested he apologizes and walks off she thanked us for getting rid of him' when we all moved away from him the first time he should of gotten the hint she wasn,t Interested and not followed us around.

    Another case comes to mind in an old Job years ago one guy started flirting with a girl at work during their work shifts when they were on rostered on together. The girl in question already had a boyfriend but thats not here nor there' the girl told him out straight I already have a boyfriend Im not interested that right there should of being the end of it he was told once not interested and once should of being enough but he continued to flirt with her she went to management about it and he got sacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'm not trying to be subtle, I'm trying to understand your point of view. Not sure why youre guarded about your perspective, it's an anonymous chat forum after all. You gave an answer and i asked follow up questions.

    I think it's pretty normal to challenge beliefs even beliefs handed down form our parents. Not sure what you think my agenda is, I'm just asking questions because I have heard some suggestions relating to this whole topic and I have heard some which are ridiculous, some which are doable but I don't think I'm going to do them.

    I'm wondering if there's anything that I'm going to change in relation to this. I want to examine my own beliefs and behaviours and see if there's something I'm happy to do differently and I'm using a chat forum to do it. Seriously, it's not a conspiracy or a trap. It's just a chat. Really don't know why you're being defensive.



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  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you really think women should have to change their behaviour if they are currently unhappy with how men treat them? Is that not just asking them to stop complaining?

    No, it's not asking them to stop complaining. That's trying to set the tone, right there, since I didn't say anything about women stopping expressing their concerns/complaints.

    And the issue wasn't that women were unhappy with how men "treat" them. The issue was related to safety, and the perception regarding supposedly unwanted interest. You quoted, and responded to my post.. perhaps scroll back and consider the overall discussion (that it related to), rather than trying to change the narrative so that you can argue something else entirely?

    Or what do you mean by change their behavior exactly? I haven't read the full thread so maybe you've said it elsewhere.

    Yup. I mentioned it earlier during discussions with other posters. Throughout the thread there have been objections to men, complimenting women without them first expressing the desire to be complimented. So, the compliment is unwanted. However, in society, the expectation is usually there that the man should initiate contact to express romantic or intimate interest. It would make sense that the roles would be reversed, so that women would express their interest in meeting men, initiating contact, and showing that they want the attention... however, that's never really spoken about. Instead, the focus is on the actions of men. That's the context relating to what I wrote.

    And no.. There's no need to expand or change the scenario, which is what I expect your next response to lead towards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And the issue wasn't that women were unhappy with how men "treat" them. The issue was related to safety, and the perception regarding supposedly unwanted interest. You quoted, and responded to my post.. perhaps scroll back and consider the overall discussion (that it related to), rather than trying to change the narrative so that you can argue something else entirely?

    I literally pointed out I hadn't read the thread when asking my question. If so put out with having to state a position, there's no need for you to respond at all.

    Women already do compliment men and ask them out. It's 2022 ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    So what we know so far. One man from central europe in his thirties has been arrested for this murder. So far the actions of the gards would suggest its not an open & shut case. Motive unknown, background of suspect unknown, previous behaviour of suspect unknown, witnesses with differing descriptions of the perpetrator, etc.

    Men have been vilified, told they need to speak to other men about how to act appropriately around women, informed that they may need to get a licence to socialise in future, painted as misogynistic, told they need to cross the road if they see a woman & in many ways told that their own lives matter less than that of a woman.

    We have our politicians & journalists coming out and condemning men at every turn. Meanwhile, in reality, far more men are getting killed on a monthly basis than women, men are already at a disadvantage when it comes to family courts, to sentencing of crimes, achieving good results in education, the list goes on.

    Only last week a man by the name of Michael Tormey was murdered in a case of mistaken identity on his doorstep. He's a father to three children & did nothing to deserve what happened to him. He's had about 0.5% of the coverage this case has had.

    This country has become a femininazi hole. Rather than parents thinking about whether or not they should raise their daughters here, they should giving a lot more thought to whether or not they should be raising their sons here. Second class citizens now to put it mildly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,269 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    One night I ran across the road to avoid an interaction with a woman, but I ended up frightening the bejasus out of another woman on the opposite side of the road. You can't win.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair enough. I'm gun shy over the attitudes of a variety of posters that have already contributed to the thread.

    I'd say what I wrote originally in response to your post was enough to be taken at face value. There wasn't anything there to be further examined.

    I'll leave it at that. Perhaps others will answer your question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes, serial killers have become almost a thing of the past. The logistics of being an undetected serial killer in todays world I’d imagine would be mind boggling. The past was a darker place far more comfortable for them. Same for governments too there were far more State level brutal atrocities carried out in the early 20th century than the latter half when the TV camera was ubiquitous.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I literally pointed out I hadn't read the thread when asking my question. If so put out with having to state a position, there's no need for you to respond at all.

    You asked questions worded to lead towards a point of view. Otherwise why would you have asked if it was telling them to stop complaining? Nah. You're a regular on boards... and you're experienced enough in writing neutral questions. I don't buy this injured innocence you're projecting.

    You quoted me, I responded. Earlier I had a poster pestering me with multiple posts because I didn't respond to her.. until I finally did. That's why I responded to you.

    Not to worry though. I won't respond further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Very valid point - a man, shot dead at his front door with his wife and kids only meters away. No vigils, virtually no condemnation from the public.

    What happened to this poor girl is absolutely tragic, no one (man, woman or child) deserves it. But to open the flood gates and use this tragic situation as an opportunity to vilify and demonise all men in the country for this is unacceptable. Its unashamed bandwagoning by the feminist brigade who seem to be licking their lips with this.

    Remember one thing, we're all someones father, brother, uncle, son. Not all men are the filthy, lecherous cretins we're all being made out to be by the media and various feminst spokeswomen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    Weren't you one of the most vocal posters against the very idea of "vigilantism" up on the thread about Kieran Creaven? This was as little as two or three weeks ago?


    Massive change in your attitude now B

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    😂😂

    I'm sure some would expect you to take your chances in the middle of the road!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Anyway, if ever we needed to be reminded of what the issue is: Check out the man sentenced to 30 years for Lunney abduction: 100 + previous convictions…

    our justice system a huge factor in everyone’s safety!!!!

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There is not much you can do really. Even if there are no men around women will be in fear that one will show up. Unfortunately even if all the street whistling and comments stop, that will have zero impact on the actions of the really dangerous men who will physically attack. It’s going to be extremely difficult to resolve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Where were the threads or comments from you or anyone else about this man being shot in front of his family? Or the request that there be a vigil or anything of the sort.

    Too many people only act like they are concerned about men when they can use it to undermine arguments showing concern for women. It's an age old problem on Boards, people talk about male suicides, pressures, identity more on threads where they are annoyed with women advocating on their own behalf than they ever do somewhere that might actually help men.

    Check out the thread about the last International mens day as an example, vast majority of comments were complaining how it wasn't getting the same attention as it would if it were for women.

    I'm very skeptical of many of the people mentioning the man who lost his life recently because they seem to be only doing it to make an argument with respect to Aishling Murphy.

    Besides, don't think anyone who was around then remembers the death of Shane Geoghegan, that too was accompanied with massive public outpouring of grief and public vigils at the time. As others have pointed out, a woman, Urantsetseg Tserendorj, lost her life a year ago in Dublin after being attacked while on her way home from work and the outpouring of grief at that time was less than what we saw in the last week. Some times for various reasons, the reactions after similar events are different without any clear reason as to why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    It is utterly unacceptable that our "justice system" frees persistent (often persistently violent) offenders to continue flagrantly ignoring the law. This is the real root of our law and order crisis.

    This character should have been inside for a very long stretch, a very long time ago.

    When will it be recognised that individuals with multiple offences - sometimes it hundreds of convictions, are hopeless cases and simply do not respect the law or empathise in any way with their victims. And that the only way to tackle this is to force these people to respect the law by imposing adequate punishments and removing them from society until the lesson is learnt.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Kody Muscular Twit


    Moved to Dublin 4 from Dublin 3. There is a noticeably larger police presence down here and on the beat where it's not really needed. They seem to hide in D3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sure. I just hoped you'd thought about your opinion to the extent that you could explain them rather than simply restating them.

    But shur, it's just a chat forum. I don't expect you to have reasoned opinions, I just hoped you might have been willing to give your opinions some thought. But, there's no law that says opinions have to be reasoned. No harm, no foul.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol. International men's day. The day men can learn to be better.

    This article is a few years old but it's pretty typical and a reason men don't bother with it. I mean, look at the opening paragraph.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/international-men-s-day-do-we-need-a-men-s-movement-and-other-questions-1.3696513



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭zv2


    From the article: "However, this year IMD is focused on positive male role models so perhaps this is a good time to explore exactly what one of those looks like."

    But that means we all have to stop being psychopaths and become decent people. Nah...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Check out the thread, and then come back to my why some men, at least many who hang out here, want to complain more than being productive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Fathers days does be hilarious with some of the comments from angry women , don't worry ladies I know its #notallwomen it's just always women , ye should call out your friends for belittling father's.


    Silly me.



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