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Anyone thinking of emigrating?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Prominent_Dawg


    100% agree op.. the prices for the standard of living are disgusting.. I recently read an article about a 25 year old who returned home from Australia with cancer, only to be completely let down by our health system, which I think is the one thing you would like to think you could rely on in a time like that



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'The plus sides for me: It’s very open minded, liberal, live and let live and socially progressive as a 2020s society.'

    It isn't live and let live. You literally couldn't walk down the street for the most of the last two years without idiots having conniption fits "Why can't you just STAY AT HOME???"

    Now you have to be tucked up indoors by 8pm - its too cold/wet to find a workaround. You're free to watch TV, go on the internet or have an abortion.

    You're selling Ireland to people as the epitome of political liberalism, but less liberal societies have more freedom because they aren't as fully beholden to progressive rule-makers as we are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭Quags


    I am in the same, think the last 2 years has kind of woke me to go "do I wish to stay in this country and always have the what if"

    We have offices in UK & Germany but at the moment no roles for me to transfer to(I work in IT), The Uk is more appealing out of both. Have looked at Holland & Portugal but not to much, would be interested to hear if anyone had worked in those countries



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,057 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    If I had a cushy job that could be done on a laptop I'd do it. The only other option is to become a crypto millionaire and move to Portugal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’m probably too old now (late 30s) and in a reasonable job but if I was ten years younger I’d definitely consider. This could be such a great country but it’s abysmally run. It’s run for vested interests and the connected rather than any fairness. The amount they take in taxes here is chronic considering the level of public services in return for same is so poor.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,951 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The grass is always greener lads.

    If a few pence on your six-pack and on your tank of diesel, which the whole World are paying more for, is all you're looking at to decide whether or not to leave the country for good, I'd suggest you need to have a long hard think.

    Yes homes are too expensive and too scarce in Dublin and sure plenty in the health service needs improving, but I challenge you to pick any destination you might migrate to and not find a whole different set of prevailing issues that irritate their domestic population.

    Ireland is one of the wealthiest nations on Earth. It offers among the best opportunities for education, high value jobs and careers and environments for nurturing small and self-starter businesses anywhere in the western world. We have a fantastic clean and healthy environment with moderate weather and the best agri-food produce maybe in the World too. We have the most progressive free social conditions of anywhere you could go and global best welfare supports for our older people and those between jobs or raising families.

    Want to suffer in an epidemic of petty crime? Move to Portugal

    Want to suffer at the hands of a corrupt and inept local and regional government system? Move to Spain

    Want to pay €25,000 in health insurance premiums for your family of four and hear tales of their weekly active shooter drills at school? Move to America

    Want to exist in a live-to-work culture with a stress induced national crisis of suicide? Not to mention demographic collapse ruining the pensions model? Try Japan

    Want to try the front row seats of climate change? Book a visa to Australia

    Be bored out of your bin and frozen solid seven months of the year? Canada...

    A faded wreck of self-destructive hubris and long dead imperial glory spiraling into economic depression? Britain....

    Or....

    You could stay in Ireland, work hard, play hard and give just a little of your time to get active in your community to change the things you don't particularly like...



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sunny, ocean, english speaking, cheap - pick any two. NZ ia expensive for housing, but It's still my intended destination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,146 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    That's a really good post.

    A lot of people here complaining about the tax take but in reality we have a lower tax rate than other European countries.

    Just on the US, it's big enough and diverse enough that you don't have to worry about many of the things you mentioned.

    Places like Massachusetts and the east coast in general are not a whole lot different than Ireland culture wise.

    It's a good place if you are young and want to make good money but if you are thinking of setting down there Ireland is a lot simpler, a lot of decisions about where to buy depends on local property tax, the quality of the school systems, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    It’s not so much the high tax take- it’s what the people paying into it actually get back ie for me personally, virtually nothing. Dental check up and scale per year is about it really for me.

    I can’t abide the nanny state and Ireland is very much one now. It’s relentless



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On healthcare, we do spend properly. The HSE budget is the same as the NHS budget per capita (and we've a younger population so it "should" be lower). We pay plenty but get nothing back.

    Despite spending the same as the Brits on the public system, 46% of the population feel it necessary to have health insurance on top of that. And all your prescriptions on top of that.

    Someone I know went to France a few months ago. Trip got off to a pretty bad start, her bag slipped as she was taking it from the overhead bin on the plane after landing and hit her eye. Long story short, as a tourist went to the first medical centre she found, under 2 hours later she'd seen a consultant, got eye drops and a bill for €27. Took the same person weeks of asking around (friends and relatives, because calling directly were instant "no"s) to just get on a doctor's books in our home town.

    Again, someone on average wage is paying around 300 towards healthcare, plus insurance (let's lowball it at 100) plus tax on insurance so about €450 a month. What do they get for that? Well after claiming back it's "only" €30 to see a GP, "only" €100 for consultant and prescriptions aren't covered.

    There's no defending our healthcare system money is absolutely poured into it from state funding for no return. We have parallel systems where it only makes logical sense for a worker to make the public system worse so they get more customers privately. And the state helps them out with doing it. It's an indefensible shambles.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    There’s some body creaming it off and doing very well out of the healthcare system here and it sure as hell isn’t the patients.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There were only lockdowns and restrictions in Ireland. You never had to fill in a form to walk the dog in France, nor did you have to stay inside in a small apartment for weeks and weeks in Spain, getting permission to even get the groceries. There was never any curfew in California, Germany, the Netherlands etc etc

    Good old non-nanny state USA, until you try ordering a beer while looking under 90, crossing a road in an even slightly irregular manner or falling out with your home owners association over the colour of the fence.

    Only in Ireland.

    Also only in Ireland is water wet.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The only way our tax take can be considered low is following the same nonsense that the economy grew by 25% in 2015.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    " miserable " = Yes

    " conservative " = that's funny



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭growleaves


    In Ireland they have been extended the longest and have lingered on and on and now appear to be semi-permanent. If you were in Spain or England you could go out til 1am or later right now tonight. Here, quasi-normality gets restored for a few weeks at a time then obliterated again.

    I am confident the restrictions will kept and extended here despite that the whole country is getting covid right now and so there is no longer any reason for restrictions.

    This speaks to the whole quality of life here, especially since this is a cold country for six months in winter so there is no way around strict bans on night-time socialising.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh aye. People like the handwaving "useless bloated administration staff" thing but it really doesn't explain things away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Ireland is conservative- the lockdown fiasco illustrated it for me. Anyone outside the group think mentality was ostracised pretty much. You’re allowed an opinion so long as it’s the “right” opinion.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The healthcare system is a joke certainly in aspects of it, but then in others it’s extremely good. If for example, I look at my elderly aunt. She’s entirely in the public system and getting phenomenally good treatment for cancer for the last decade. There have been no delays, no issues, excellent facilities, they’re working with her delivering infusions remotely through the pandemic, in regular contact with her etc etc.

    The issue most people hit is patchy, highly self employed and rip off primary care and that rolls high pressure into into A&E.

    I also find consultants (including private) have an answer for everything: go to A&E. It’s like the generic dumping ground for all issues. Post operative pain - A&E … chronic illness goes wrong - A&E… mental health crisis - A&E

    Amazing place this A&E. it’s no wonder it’s overwhelmed.

    They need to also sort out the capacity for elective surgery and so on as it’s just not there in the public system anyway. And that’s why the queues are so long.

    My GP offers a subscription service - €17 a month, which I do not use, but it shows how it could be sorted out in terms of real costs if it were setup well. Most people hardly ever go to the GP, so I’m sure those costs would be lower.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    There’s a penal mentality here that you’d don’t get in other countries to the same extent- you must sacrifice or be seen to for the greater good- even if it offers absolutely no tangible benefits whatsoever. Individual freedoms in Ireland are seen as almost some kind of mortal sin



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Emm, I think we live in two different Irelands. Are you posting from the 1960s ?



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  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're right, pluses and minuses everywhere. But what about those of us that like Vit D?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Those are left wing views you witnessed re_ covid this past two years

    The most enthusiastic about lockdown has been progressives, in fact how vociferously pro restrictions you are is a key litmus test for the WOKE



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Actually we have some of the finest rain on the face of the planet. Irish raindrops are wetter, faster, and more beautiful than traditional raindrops.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    They are indeed but those are what dominate here unfortunately. Seems the left have robbed elements of “Catholic guilt” and moulded them for their own agendas



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Instead of dismissing what I say why not detail why you think I am wrong? This is what I’ve observed from Irish society the past few years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    So why did you say " Ireland is conservative " three or four posts back?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Two different friends of mine are in the process of emigrating. Both of them are in the 35-40 range and wanted to stay but they couldn't afford to get mortgages and were sick of being gouged on rent. If people in that age category, with stable jobs, are deciding to vote with their feet I imagine younger people with more precarious employment will be leaving in droves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    The left are conservative with regards to personal freedoms- they only “allow” them within the confines of their beliefs. I never equate the left with being anything progressive or non conservative. Very much the opposite in fact. They crave authoritarian conformity, in Ireland at any rate



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    What line of work are they in that they can't get mortgages and where are they emigrating to



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