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Anyone thinking of emigrating?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    I’m off to little Ukraine, treasure Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    This automatically begs the question, why should Ireland house refugees if Ireland can't even house their own? - have you been watching the news lately by any chance? should be fairly straightforward to anyone with half a heart and/or brain

    But if one has no family ties to Ireland, but can apparently afford a plane ticket, but expects to be housed and there is no housing available, it automatically raises certain questions. - those exact reasons are part of why half of america claims to be irish tbh

    Also the discussion about this subject has gotten sadly a bit liberal-left-ideological in Ireland and other opinions aren't often liked, which doesn't help the situation at all. - its usually not that people dont like opinions that dont agree with theirs, its that they dont like ill-informed, scaremongering rubbish ones

    Even more, it's ironical, the ones coming to Ireland, demanding shelter from war, the other ones leaving, as they're not finding any perspectives - thats not irony (i presume you meant its ironic when you said its ironical), irony would be if irish people were going to fight in the ukranian war and then ukranian refuges were getting their houses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭tinytobe




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i gave 4 answers (well one answer and three responses technically) so which are you talking about?

    you 'expected such an answer' any yet you still chose to talk bollox?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    All answers.

    I find it offensive that you're using the word bollox, just because you don't like my opinion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    well feel free to explain where im wrong?

    its not true to say i dont like your opinion, its such ill-informed bollox that i nothing it, its not even worth disliking tbh



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    I detest Northern Ireland for many reasons but I could never leave due to being unemployable. Imagine such a curse, the city I hate most on earth is 40 minutes away. Also the main shopping towns are loyalist towns. I haven't been to the "city of culture" much though, Derry. Maybe I should visit it due to it being a culturally Irish town but I am sure I will hate it too.


    One thing that sticks in my head is when I was shopping in Ballymena, Co. Antrim and someone handed me a leaflet and it was some loyalist BNP leaflet. I threw it straight in the bin, it just showed me that I was a local but still a foreigner in many ways. Northern Ireland is such a deranged country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Andrewf20


    I saw a link to a study recently that ranked Ireland 9th and the USA 29th on the work life balance index. Their holiday allowance is poor also.

    Ireland can be a pain also alright but overall I found my experiences tended to line up with the report mentioned above. My wife worked in silicon Valley back in the mid 2000s and found that the work culture was way tougher than it was back in Ireland. Better pay but long hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    I lived in derry for a few years on the Foyle side but also visited across the bridge too, absolutely lovely place with the loveliest people, I highly recommend it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    Not surprised, when I was out there, people were working 2-3 jobs at a time to survive. Not much of a balance at all.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I said this before but the thoughts of emigrating must serve some need in the human psyche and that's kinda alright it's a coping mechanism or maybe a bit of a daydream but the ones who have no insight and really and truly believe it is better somewhere else, its all sunshine and lollipops and no now downside are perplexing how can a grown adult be that stupid.

    Ireland is a very wealthy country with social welfare, a democracy, in Europe, and tempered weather.

    I saw a brand new tesla with an L sign being driven today by want looked like a teenager.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Or maybe there are sound financial reasons for emigrating. Ireland is still a small nation with limited employment in particularly niche specialisations. Or even without that, there are plenty of industries where too many people have studied for, and the competition for existing jobs is too high. Or perhaps you can't or don't want to spend 200k to buy a shoddy house/apartment, when you can get so much more abroad for the same amount of money?

    I originally left Ireland immediately after the Banking crash. Valid financial reasons for doing so... and likely people will do the same when the recession hits Ireland proper.

    Ireland is a very wealthy country on paper. It doesn't translate well when looking at the disposable incomes of lower-middle class families, or those from truly working class families. It's a country that has become rather expensive to live in, especially when having a family is factored in. The area of democracy isn't as simplistic as you'd like to make it out to be, when all parties are spouting the same agendas, and you feel that you are not represented in politics.

    As for the sunshine and lollipops in other countries, I doubt anyone believes that. In fact, I suspect it only comes from those posters who are so dismissive/judgmental towards those who emigrate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭bladespin


    They say the grass is always greener, sometimes it is and sometimes not, some will never get past the daydream stage but many have.

    As a country Ireland's ok, for some it's great and for others it's certainly not, it's pretty good for me; I've worked in several other countries, US, UK and Italy, all have their advantages and failings, tbh the US would still be the only alternative option to Ireland, not sure how the work life balance table is calculated but the US West coast was pretty awesome all round when I was there, I was very tempted to stay but returned due to family commitment, I don't regret that but if only I could turn the temperature up a couple of notches here, hopefully climate change will make it perfect lol, having said that I wont be retiring here.

    FYI it's certainly not a wealthy country by most standards, we love to think we are but our prosperity is hugely dependant on outside forces, whatever way the wind blows etc. The financial divide is deepening here and that's going to lead to some very serious issues down the line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    I don't think I would emigrate at this point. I'm only early 30s but I went away for 2 years and knew after that long term I would always be thinking about being back in Ireland. I can absolutely understand anyone wanting to leave for a richer/better life if they can't find it here. As stated, there is simply just not enough employment in certain sectors where those sectors would be thriving in other countries.

    I've known a few who are loving life abroad and have no plans of coming back. It's nice to see people thrive and make a life for themselves, I used to have a shade of jealousy about them but I went away to know I wanted to come back so I'm at peace.

    One thing about emigrating though is that wherever you go there you are. Moving country isn't going to make any difference if you are just going to be the same as you are in Ireland. I've seen it a few times.

    People leave Ireland, thinking their life is finally going to start. End up working some middle of the road job, party a lot and a few years later realise they don't have anything to really show for their time away. Then end up realising oh yeah, I actually have to try and build a life. This isn't always the case as there are those who get lucky and find their feet. But really, if you have no long-term plan and are working towards that you aren't going to be too successful. Because not knowing what you want to do here in Ireland is the exact same as not knowing what to do anywhere else.

    Those that have been successful when their away have had a focus on what they want to do and how they will roughly achieve it. Other things like love, friends and life experiences tend to happen along the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    To clarify my point emigration has always happened and will always happen, everyone in the US bar the native Americans is an immigrant this was pointed out to me by a distant American relative who visited recently we have a great grandfather in common, and one brother went to the US and one stayed here.

    My point was about the idea that it's always better somewhere else narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭growleaves


    By that definition native Americans are also immigrants since their distant ancestors are meant to have originally migrated from Siberia and East Asia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭I see sheep




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Ireland's great but let's call a spade a spade and take of the blinkers.

    The housing situation is very very dangerous and precarious for a huge cohort of the population. It has been completely mishandled. Those who have justified grievances should not be cast as "whingers".

    It's the biggest issue of this generation by a distance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭kernkraft500


    -you should get a better paying job

    -you should have been planning for this and had a deposit ready

    -you have to sacrifice to gain

    etc...

    all the bullshit excuses of people who haven't tried to buy a home for the first time with an average salary in the current climate..

    while there are merits to some of the above, getting your foot on the property ladder without any outside help is turning into an impossible task...

    I left Ireland for this vey reason and have owned a house in the UK a number of years now.... 20k deposit between my partner and I, 95% mortgage, taking about 10 months (+5k gift) from "I think we should save for a house" to getting the keys.

    Granted 5% deposit mortgages have stop at the moment in the UK, but there are still some amazing 10% deals (if your a customer of the bank, they'll even let away 8% in some cases) ..... the red tape and hoops in Ireland are ridiculous...



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,908 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    My cousin is a fairly influential person of the legal profession in the US. His practice have contracts with the state and national government even and he is well regarded as one of the top legal professionals in the country…so he’s influential …. he asked, going back 12 years or so ago if I’d ever be tempted to move there… he saw how much I enjoyed it there, the answer was YES but I had too much going for me at home and just didn’t have the interest…

    ive been thinking about it and it’s something I’m genuinely thinking about ….

    this country and continent is probably screwed…. Or at best, just changed forever.

    opportunities, safety, wellbeing and health are ALL being challenged.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    True.. but the US? It's kinda on the front lines of all the changes we're experiencing here.. not just socially/culturally, but also economically. I realise that the US is a huge country, which is very different depending on which State you're interested in, but many of these changes are happening across the board. Also, in the US, there's a rather perverse desire to embrace extremes (as reflected by their politics, and particular fascinations with religion), so, personally.. I'd hesitate rather strongly about moving there long-term.

    I've friends who have done very well for themselves living in the States, but.. how much of that will continue in the future? Considering just how much of the US is like a 3rd world nation (poverty, illiteracy, discrimination, unemployment, etc), I'd say to have an exit plan just in case. [As I have whenever I'm living in Asia]



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nigeria is a fine country to emigrate to at the moment. Young population, well educated, growing middle-class, highly tech literate, looking for experts to immigrate to augment the skills they are building up in the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Many countries going through the same process, Canada, China (yep that one) and Australia also make some appealing offers to build their skills bases.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    20,000 emigrated last year it said on the radio. Mostly to London, 2 Lads gave reasons on the radio today, their reasons for emigrating, partying was 1, no tax to pay in Dubai the other.



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