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Anyone thinking of emigrating?

  • 08-01-2022 8:08pm
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    As a person in their early 30's the Irish government just keep pissing me off and off.

    They can set minimun price of alcohol but not rents.

    Petrol and Diesel prices are at all time high but sure we'll give you a 100 euro voucher off your electric and that will make up for it. For one litre of fuel at 1.70 the government make a euro.

    Housing crisis - Lets not kid ourselves, after the recession the government want house prices to go back to Celtic prices. People who were born early in 80's and 90's are screwed.

    Health care in the country is a complete and utter joke and looks like there is no sign of improvement whatsoever.

    Our capital in Dublin is one of the ugliest capitals in Europe. There is feck all to do in Ireland except the pub.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,899 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    If it was a simple thing to do I’d certainly consider it

  • Ya.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,931 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui

    Yes, I have been planning to do so for years.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭ Ubbquittious

    I am tempted alright but don't know where to go. The last place I visited people were paid €3.50 an hour and there were almost no jobs

  • Would that be a contractor conversion?

    Just worth being careful, if you want to be processed on Irish payroll you have to be resident in Ireland. If they have a presence elsewhere then it can be worked that way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 31,078 ✭✭✭✭ Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    Would depend on what part of Spain. Stcik to a city with some ex-pats so you don't feel isolated, meet up with locals as much as possible and give it a week of decent weather and you'll be glad you did it

    Do NOT ask me how I define the terms "man", "woman", "male" or "female" when you reply to this post. You know the answer and it's probably irrelevant to the discussion :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,931 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,899 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    I guess the pull of family is a thing for me and also I have some medical needs that I would need to do a lot of research on before I go.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,944 ✭✭✭ amacca

    They seem to be doing everything they can to drive private landlords out if the market afaic

    Now if you said supports large institutional type landlords wanting to make a paper profit for the pension funds then yes maybe that's something to consider as a possibility

    I personally think they do seem to want to constrict supply and availability to keep prices as high as you couldn't be that incompetent to keep making decisions that will result in that by accident.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭ BalcombeSt4

    I agree that the government is & has been since 1922 a miserable, ultra conservative, priest ridden, corrupt nightmare of a place for young people.

    But the answer I don't think is to leave, the answer is to reform the system. You'll find all western governments since the late 60's/early 70's have been cracking down on what they call a "excess " or a "crisis of democracy" as they called it in a 1975 report. "The report observed the political state of the United StatesEurope and Japan, and says that in the United States the problems of governance "stem from an excess of democracy" and thus advocates "to restore the prestige and authority of central government institutions."

    In other words the population is to free & people have to much democracy so governments have to become more authoritarian to create a more obedient & authority fearing population. Keep people afraid, feeling isolated & in line they won't try to create a more fair & free society.

    As Noam Chomsky brilliant explains here, the principles of which the US was founded on, and this can apply to most other western states:

    " The constitutional system was based on the principle that the prime responsibility of government is “to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority,” as Madison, the leading framer, explained at the Constitutional Convention. Therefore, he elaborated, power must be in the hands of the wealthy, while the public is fragmented and scattered so that the threat of democracy is reduced and the country can be “governed by those who own it,” as declared by John Jay, the president of the Convention and first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court."

    He goes on..

    "With all the changes that have taken place over two hundred years, that principle has been maintained, and indeed reiterated, particularly in the twentieth century, when leading Wilsonian liberals (Walter Lippmann, Howard Lasswell, etc.) explained that the “ignorant and meddlesome outsiders” (the general public) have no business interfering in the public arena – their “function” is solely to lend their weight now and then to one of the “responsible men” (elections)."

    He explains the so called "crisis of democracy"

    "the Trilateral Commission, representing the more liberal internationalist currents among elites from western Europe, Japan and the US, in their study Crisis of Democracy. The “crisis” was that during the ferment of the 1960s, the public began to depart from its normal apathy and passivity. The study recommends means to drive people back to their spectator role, so that “democracy” can be protected. Recall that this is the liberal side of the spectrum; the mislabeled conservatives are far more strongly opposed to democracy. Social policy and propaganda since have been directed to the goal of overcoming “the crisis of democracy” by sharply reducing participation in democratic institutions. The public grasps that in some manner; by now, an unprecedented eighty percent of the public regards American democracy as non-functional.


    The major attack on democracy is the effort to shift decision-making even more than before into the hands of unaccountable private tyrannies: the corporate world, which is fundamentally totalitarian in character, as long understood by business historians and political economists. That is the goal of the current efforts to weaken those elements of the national government that serve public needs, while expanding those that serve business power, notably the Pentagon system, which was designed in large measure as a device to transfer public funds to advanced sectors of industry under the guise of “security,” and continues to serve that function.


    And I think it's pretty clear also that Irish & British governments whether Fianna Fail or Fine Gael, or Tory or Labour governments policies regarding the general population are very similar, reduce democracy and put power into the hands of "unaccountable private tyrannies: the corporate world, which is fundamentally totalitarian in character."

    The young population who are eager for change, if determined enough, are the best hope of building a fairer & more egalitarian society.

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