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So, what you playing at the mo? Retro Edition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Ah yeah I've got my main emulation setup that handles anything I need. Plus I still own a physical nes, snes, gc, N64, wii, and wii u....along with a gb, gbc, gba, ds, dsi xl, and a 3ds xl....so kinda sorted for ninty stuff :)

    You're dead right about cfw, it will 100% devalue the experience, if caution isn't exercised. Flash cart syndrome is real.

    Re the Switch being underpowered, it is obviously underpowered compared to more recent consoles, but you'd expect that as its a handheld. Compared to Xbox 360 and ps3 it actually fares well, its impressive considering we've that level of power in a handheld. What was a problem for me though, was not even big AAA multiplat games, it was certain first party Nintendo titles chugging down to sub 30fps, at standard definition resolutions...that was a real disappointment, considering how buttery smooth Nintendo games often are.

    BotW in particular, is essentially a Wii U game, and can bring the switch to its knees. Links Awakening is another one, bizarre how Ninty let that one out the door with its performance.

    For most big games and indie content alike, I find it's PC I'm most comfortable with. Consoles I tend to play exclusives on. I'll prob pick up an OLED Switch at some point just to keep the lineup complete, but I'm OK without one for now.

    It's successor, whenever that appears, will likely be a very interesting machine. I'd say the days of Nintendo making static consoles are over, so it'll be a Switch U (!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Metroid Fusion at the moment. Just got to a spider robot boss that's ended up being a big difficulty spike. It's really hard to avoid the initial grab move he does, but even when you do, there's a second phase that's also really hard to navigate.

    I was playing on a GBA with an IPS screen, but had to switch to GC player because I was afraid I'd break something!

    EDIT:

    Right after I moan about it I manage to kill that boss just before lunch is over!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Finished Fusion and conveniently a click and collect for an OLED Switch is now at my disposal! Hmm, I guess Dread is next, THEN Prime and Samus Returns.

    Fusion was great. I really loved the music and apart from one spike in difficulty, it was an enjoyable jaunt. I do hate the cutscenes and dialogue inserted into the games now though. I get that originally, it was a technical limitation, but there was something about the story being told via gameplay in Super Metroid that I really loved about that game. Prime managed to do the same for the first two games. I guess it's just more my thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Finally started playing Dread myself yesterday, I'm not usually a massive fan of 2.5D visuals and prefer when games like this are sprite based - but this looks fantastic, really suits the style of the Metroid universe, some of the backgrounds look incredible.

    Not too sure if I'm sold on the parry action as of yet, makes the game feel more like a modern fighting based Metroidvania like Dead Cells (which I'm sure is the point) than an explorative one.

    Only mild niggles really, enjoying it immensely so far and cant wait to get back to it this evening!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,717 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Dread definitely dials down the exploration, sometimes to its detriment. Overall though I think the game does a really good job of moving you along the map in a really organic and satisfying way - speed is the main focus of the game, and it has a hell of a pace.

    Was so-so on the parry overall though. I think it feels great when out against normal enemies, but becomes too much like a glorified quick time event in some of the boss fights. Especially against the EMMI - the parry window's obviously extremely narrow and random on purpose, but the timing feels just that little bit too unforgiving.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Playing some Mario Kart 64 courtesy of Nintendo Switch Online...

    It's expensive, but the games play very well, with a choice between the EU and US versions of the games.

    MK64 is super smooth, lots of fun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Ploughing through Dread now. I've got most of the usual power ups now so guessing I'm near the end. It has been pretty enjoyable so far, but some aspects of it like the EMMIs and annoying 3D areas where you're faced with corridors you can't go down work against it for me.

    The other bosses are great. Interesting move sets and challenging enough at times.

    @CiDeRmAn - Isn't the N64 emulator Nintendo have used supposed to be input lag city?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    In fairness, I haven't put much time into it, but I had fun with both Mario Kart and Zelda



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Finished Sparkster for the SNES on Normal. Need to go back to play it on Hard to get the true final boss.

    I always was annoyed that the SNES got the better Sparkster. It looked amazing in screenshots and the first stage I played on emulators was pretty good.

    Actually playing it though and I actually think the Megadrive game is the better one. It does look gorgeous with the SNES pulling off some insane graphical effects but after that initial opening stage the game isn't that great. Levels are big and open but badly designed, feeling like they come from the Sonic CD school of level design. There are some clever ideas in parts but it's mostly bad design. Bosses as well are very disappointing with some just not being fun or well made. And the music isn't a patch on the Megadrive game which sounds so much better.

    Another win for the Megadrive then although it also means Rocket Knight Adventures never got the sequel it deserved.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    How about no I **** won't.

    I realised today why this game feels so off. It's the rocket pack. In RKA after a rocket jump of you hit an enemy you bounce outside of them or if you don't the enemy will be in a damage state and can't do damage giving you time to get away.

    In this game about 40% of the time you end up inside the enemies hit box and will take damage making the rocket pack a total crap shoot.

    That and the rockem sockem robot fight is complete shite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Couldn't think of what to play earlier so I threw on Bully to get a few remaining trophies. Debating replaying it as I really enjoy it but sure I've loads of other stuff to play...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Finished Samus Returns after Dread and tried taking a break with The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons.

    Not really sure about it yet. It’s like NES Zelda in that you start out quite fragile and death is a thing in dungeons. In generally actually, it reminds me more of the NES game than Link’s Awakening.

    So, back to the Metroid series… I’m working through Metroid Prime whenever the baby sleeps long enough to get a session in.

    It’s as good as ever! Phendrana Drifts is just a great section, although the Space Pirates showing up is a bit of a pain.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I found oracle of ages and seasons to be quite tough. Some really challenging dungeons, bosses and some real head scratcher puzzles.

    As for reminding you of Zelda 1, the oracle project was meant to be a trilogy of games, a remake of 1 and 2 and a brand new game.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I must play them again, I have the carts and I can play them via the GB Player or the Retron 5, Capcom made them, didn't they?

    I really liked The Minish Cap too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Minish Cap is another one on my "to play" list. It's only recently I've been interested in handheld stuff so it's all new for me! I'll probably play on a mix of GBA and GB Player like I did Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    Recently completed KOTOR I & II, iPad versions with community mods installed on II. Still very enjoyable and perfectly playable on touchscreen.

    Just picked up a Xbox S so replaying the Halo collection at the moment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I renewed Game Pass PC for 3 months for €1 and going to give Halo another try. I just never got into it before. Not sure why. Tried it on PC way back then again on Game Pass on One S a year or two ago. Maybe it's because I was playing other games on Game Pass and didn't give it the time of day. Also going to give Gears of War a go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Played a bit of Lumines last night. Easy to get sucked into that game and lose an hour without realising!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Any of you guys give Capcom arcade Stadium a go yet? I bought it on a whim for the switch when I saw a line of candy cabinet in the demo.

    Its a really cool take on the whole thing, it literally emulates candy cabinets. You can play on a camcom Cute, Impress and a Status 18. Some really fantastic CRT emulation going on too, great to see such a thing taking off more and more, would absolutely love if they added more cabinets!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Playing some of the Megadrive games on the Switch. Jesus theyre bad. What an awful console.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I played them all as a kid but was always more of a Commadore/Nintendo guy anyway. Never liked Sonic for example. But some of these were bad then and are abysmal now. I downloaded the emulator a few years ago and could think of about 3 games worth getting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Inviere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I kinda really have to start thinking hard after Streets of Rage. Ecco the Dolphin plays quick I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    So you've played Phantasy Star IV, Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Bloodlines, Musha Aleste, Streets Of Rage 2, Contra Hard Corps, Rocket Knight Adventures, Ghouls n Ghosts, Alien Soldier and think they're all shite?

    If that's the case, I think you just don't like videogames ;)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I mean the super Nintendo was a better console than the megadrive but the megadrive is still one of the best consoles ever and pretty much essential. What I love the most is that the libraries of the snes and megadrive are so different but compliment each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Maybe thats it. Too many Megadrive games are the same. Run aloing to the right punching or shooting forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    It filled the arcade at home demand at the time with a large number of its games. The Super Nintendo didn't really have that, had a different range of games.

    On great MegaDrive/Genesis games, check out;

    • Shadowrun
    • Wiz 'n' Liz
    • Powermonger (lots of other versions out there, the MD/G one is fairly good)
    • Earthworm Jim(s)
    • Road Rash 2




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    The Megadrive was a cracking machine with a great games library.

    If you have decided that the console was awful, you are probably in the wrong forum and 30 years too late, as the playground MD hate nonsense belonged there.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The SNES also doesn't have a game better than Gunstar Heroes.

    Fight me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    IGNs best of all time. Very Snes heavy. Not a lot of Megadrive. Hardly any actually. As has been said, the Megadrive briefly filled the gap from arcade to home but dated very quickly.

    https://www.ign.com/articles/the-best-100-video-games-of-all-time



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's not a bad list but you have to also take into account that nobody at IGN was playing games in the 16-bit era and it's an american website so heavily skewed towards Nintendo over Sega as Nintendo was more popular then. You can also point out the severe lack of handheld and saturn games. There's Saturn and DS games that are all time contenders, more deserving than the likes of Red Dead 2.

    I think you just need to explore the megadrive library more. Many of the more popular Megadrive games are not that great but if you explore the library there's a lot there that's great. Also many games on the Megadrive run way better than the SNES games, the Strike games for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    My hot take on IGN is it's not a great website in an niche of journalism where the bar is pretty low so who cares what they think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    When the Megadrive first came out it filled a gap from arcade to home, hence things like Altered Beast and other Sega arcade ports (Super Thunderblade etc), many of which aren't very good. Unfortunately you see a lot of these games on 'best of' compilations, so I would imagine that's what's informing your incorrect opinion.

    Those games came out in the late 80s. The console was around until the mid 90s. There were many more games which came out after that, from cross platform to exclusives, many of which are still brilliant to this day. I really would recommend playing through some of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Theres a project for me so for the weekend. Will do some research and play a few.

    I am of that vintage btw, C64 actually, so have obviously played a lot of them. I remember liking ESwat, Shinobi, Altered Beast et al.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Revenge of Shinobi and Shinobi 3 should be top of the list. Pure action game perfection. Would also recommend. Rocket knight adventures and contra hard corp which for my money is the best contra.

    And gunstar of course.

    Soleil/crusader of centy is a pretty great Zelda clone which you could argue is better than link to the past.

    Some great Sega CD games as well despite the limited library. Snatcher, popful mail, Aleste.

    And I've a soft spot for shining force 2 as my first jrpg and a really fun breezy srpg.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    To be fair, you could say all GTA games are the same with driving and shooting everyone but they're all different in their own way. Sure people will prefer one over others but still different games.

    Understandably people have their preference in regards to MD Vs SNES but both consoles have a vast library of great games. I've seen plenty of people prefer SNES alright but I've never seen anyone say the Megadrive was outright crap!

    Shinobi 3 is a fantastic game. The graphics, gameplay and soundtrack are all top notch and just an overall very good package.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Yeah played that on the Switch last night, still very good.

    Sonic is crap. Always was.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    The US never got the Megadrive, while Japan and Europe did.

    Plus, the Megadrive enjoyed a healthy number of ports from the Amiga and ST scenes, also popular in Europe rather than the US.

    The Megadrive is a far better console for horizontal and vertical shooters, the SNES has a couple of great ones but can't really compare.

    In terms of arcade conversions, Street Fighter II would be the most obvious, but the MD got its fair share of crackers too.

    Yes, the SNES was technically superior but the MD had a more than healthy library of great titles, so you never lost out if you only owned one of those.

    And, from this perspective, there is nothing to stop everyone from owning both consoles and the best games on both systems or even just running them in emulation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Just wrapped up Uncharted 4 there, which completes the main series for me. As a mostly light hearted linear narrative driven game, once again I enjoyed the hell out of it. Masterful technical prowess from Naughty Dog again, and all the individual elements combine to make a memorable adventure.

    That just leaves The Lost Legacy and Golden Abyss on the vita for me for the Uncharted franchise.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Uncharted 4 did nothing for me. So disappointed with it and golden abyss isn't that great now that it's no longer a tech marvel.

    Wouldn't say the snes was better technically. It exceeded the megadrive in some areas. Way more colours, transparencies and mode 7. However the megadrive could push around way more sprites and handle complex games better with the beefier CPU. And while the snes had the sample based sound chip it sounded terrible when used wrong and had a very low bit rate. When used properly the megadrive sounded incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Well the "SAAAAYGAAAAAA" at the start of Sonic was a gaming milestone.

    Far better catalogue on the Snes for me. Megadrive wasn't even close. Link to the Past, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Mario World, Metroid, F Zero, Pilotwings, Starfox etc. The Nintendo/Rare partnership was great.

    Pity they havent kept it up. The Switch is abysmal.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I can counter that with Phantasy Star 4, Soleil, Lunar 1 and 2, Gunstar Heroes, Soleil, Castle and World of Illusion, Quakshot, Monster World 4, Probotector, Rocket Knight Adventures, Ristar, Virtua Racing, Sonic games, Eliminate Down, Thunderforce 3 and 4, Popful Mail, Ecco, Revenge of Shinobi, Shinobi 3, Mercs, Streets of rage series, Toejam and Earl, Castlevania Bloodlines (better than Super CV 4, fight me), Shining in the Darkness, Shining Force series, Jungle and Desert Strike, Musha and Robo Aleste, Herzog Zwei, Dune 2, Alien Soldier, Dynamite Headdy, Marvel Land, Splatterhouse 2 and 3, Alisia Dragoon, Ranger X, Atomic Runner, Granada, Sub-Terrania, Gynoug, Story of Thor, Shadowrun, Langrisser, Snatcher, Keio Flying Squadron, Ground Zero Texas, Soulstar.

    Plenty there to sink your teeth into even though I think the SNES has the edge.

    As for the comment on the Switch, I can't agree there. It's god the best library of exclusives and makes a mockery of the PS4 and 5 in that regard. An embarrassing amount of great exclusives and it's a brilliant indie machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Took you long enough with the Mega Drive list @Retr0gamer :)

    Re the Switch, I've said it before but I'm not really into it. It's painfully underpowered given it has to cater to handheld gaming, & if its not sub-hd resolutions half the time, it's abysmal frame-rates the other times. Indeed the library is rich, but the hardware severely lets it down for those of us who remember the halcyon Nintendo 60fps days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    The Switch is a handheld console that docks to a TV in the same way the Sega Nomad has an AV out port. It's 100% a handheld and should be considered as such. Once you realise that you can be a lot more forgiving of it's capabilities.

    Still by far my most played console of that generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭deadduck


    The Uncharted series is great, basically Indiana Jones in game form. The only one I couldn't get into was the Vita one, just felt like there was too much going on for the limited controls and small screen. I wouldn't even bother trying it again, it didn't feel right at all.

    but UC 1-4 + Lost Legacy are brilliant games



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Inviere


    The thing is, the Nomad played the games EXACTLY how they were experienced on the full fat consoles of the time. Granted that's not actually possible with todays machines, but I find anything ported to the Switch extremely lacking compared to any other platform its available on. It can't even manage to run its own exclusives properly either, the likes of Link's Awakening bring the thing to its knees. Not all games are like this, but many are. It's either the hardware, or developers....very likely the hardware though, it's essentially a 7 year old tablet in disguise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Stay away from big budget game ports, that's not what handhelds are for. I'd have similar comments about the PSP, a major dislike I had with it was the attempt at recreating the console feeling on a handheld. It just misses the mark every time.

    As a handheld console it's fantastic. Play games that aren't The Witcher,The Outer Worlds or other things that require a dedicated GPU and you'll be grand.

    Links Awakening does have framrate drops and it definitely feels like more of a software issue that anything. If The Switch can handle BOTW then it could definitely handle an isometric adventure game.

    As you said, it's a 7 year old console now (hard to believe!) Definitely due some updated hardware.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Currently playing Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night and absolutely loving it. Had a real hankering for another Metroidvania after playing through Metroid Dread.

    Absolutely delighted with how similar it feels to Symphony of the Night, really reminded me how much I love that game. I do wish Bloodstained used sprite artwork rather than 3D (there's something off about the way Miriam's run animation looks in 3D) but it's still gorgeous to look at.

    Think I might have another run through of SOTN once I'm done with this, haven't played it in a good 5-6 years!



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