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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I have nothing against donie o'sullivan....good luck to him........but calling him a "national treasure" nearly gave me a stroke....

    By that same metric, what would that rag of a tabloid refer to Ryan Tubridy as........a national God?!!!!

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    On a more upbeat note you can relax about facing imprisonment.

    You can't be jailed for not having a TV licence.

    However if having been fined in court you refuse to pay the fine you may have to pack a bag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    This boring chestnut comes up time and time again.

    The top 20 all pull in substantial profits for rte.


    The biggest loss making cost is live gaa coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    They've scheduled the lunchtime news all week but have shown clips of John Creedon instead,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,352 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Any stats to back up the second line of your post?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,938 ✭✭✭daheff


    It's not though. License is only one part of their income. Advertising revenue and sponsorship has increased since 2008.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    In fairness it's very hard to see how Ray Darcy could be covering his costs since his TV show got canned over 2 years ago. If you listen to his radio show, the only ads you hear are TV licence reminders and covid advertising. Volkswagen pulled their sponsorship from the show after a short time for whatever reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    At least they are trying to find a new sponsor for Darcy's showhttps://mediasales.rte.ie/opportunities/the-ray-darcy-show-radio-sponsorship/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I would consider paying the licence fee.....once Ryan Tubridy, Ray D'arcy and Joe Duffy are relieved of their services......

    Major restructuring required at RTE...salaries should be capped....around 150k is plenty...

    If Noel Kelly can get his "talent" paid better elsewhere......then off with them. .

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Posts: 124 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Absolutely agree. There was wholesome viewing last night for the new years, just for one example.

    Thoroughly enjoyable television for a steal at €160.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,278 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The rates on Saorview are artificially loaded because TV3 took a court battle to avoid paying for their share of the unused bandwidth. This is why TG4 isn't in HD even though it would only mean the state paying the state and require no additional equipment, maintenance or electricity.

    RTE should have just bought out one MUX for themselves and leave TV3 & Co. to pay for the commercial one, which was the original plan for DTT here. BAI delayed DTT and required Saorview to follow a different spec to the UK just so non-existent commercial channels could use subscription cards for encrypted channels.

    Or the state should left TV3 high and dry instead of writing off debt. Instead commercial channels mean a second MUX has to be kept running which is a massive subsidy for them. The only reason they are on Saorview is so they can acquire some sports rights to show on their subscription TV in HD.

    A single non-commercial MUX would mean we'd have more than two HD channels. eg: Divis Mux BBCB/PSB3 has BBC1, BB2, UTV, Channel 4, Channel 5 and CBBC all in HD ( and there's a shopping channel too) So we could have had RTE1, RTE2, TG4, RTEJr , News Now and Oireachtais all in HD for half of our current transmission costs. PS If anyone knows what PSB3 could possibly mean could they please inform Comreg, the BAI and our politicians.

    /RANT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    There seems to be an awful lot of wasted bandwidth on Saorview, surely One MUX would be enough for everything on there? It's not like we need those +1 channels in this day in age



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Correct.

    It is like An Post, huge price increases and absolutely **** service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The licence should be discontinued and an equivalent amount added to property tax. This would eliminate collection issues and would so bring in more at no extra cost to regular people. Part of the increased income should be allocated to transmission, allowing Saorview and Saorsat coverage everywhere. All Irish stations should be obliged to broadcast in HD on these platforms, but the licence fee money should ensure that the cost of this is modest. Part of the licence fee should explicitly be used to provide certain public interest objectives and the likes of Virgin should be able to receive some of this if they take part in the coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    John Creedon talking to some lad along the road in the back ar* of nowhere is more informative than what passes for RTE News these days.

    RTE News and current affairs have become so one sided Goebbels would be proud.

    Bullshyte. RTE have long given up on having balanced debates.

    The last presidential election highlighted how anyone with conflicting views to the RTE narrative are going to be targeted.

    Watch any debate on migrants/refugees, NGOs, etc and you won't find any dissenting views.

    And bringing in either of the aforementioned eejits above, including the long connected Waters, is not meant to offer a contrasting view but the view of someone unhinged.

    It is to make one side look like deranged halfwits, rather than offer anything constructive as an opposing viewpoint.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Jaysus H on a bke.

    Tubhead, Brendan O'Connor, D'Arcy, Duffy, McInerney ... talentless shytes.

    God be with the days when you had actual talent in the place like Gaybo, Murphy, Farrell, O'Leary.

    People that actually could get a job elsewhere because they had ability and talent.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    There are a few reasons I got rid of my TV set over decade ago. I was watching less and less of it, it became a noise in the corner that produced less and less content that interested me and better options existed especially since I'm not really into sports watching. After watching the battle of Dalkey hill play out I came to the conclusion that I was working for them for free, they no longer worked for me. I got rid of the TV and binned the notices from An Post. I noticed having gotten out of the habit of watching TV that when I visit my parents I can't sit passively in front of it for long. I object to it being included in property tax and having to give away my labour to support such a non-essential content provider that I walked away from years ago.

    Based in the complaints I see about the general poor quality of RTE programming, its frequent repeats to fill out the schedule, misery porn etc. I form the impression that's its no longer public service broadcasting it now exists to be served by the public while producing the minimum dross to justify it's existence. Giving it more resources does not fix the underlying problems that have gotten it to this stage, it just extends the failing business model.

    Anyone arguing for public service broadcasting should really be pushing for a subscribers club model similar to the UK national trust. This gives the public much more say in the content that is provided and lends the organisation a bedrock of public support. If they want to to do free to air stuff then they can follow the journal.ie model and hire cheap university students to produce advertisement supported news and weather and pull content from press association when they need international coverage. For RTE Plus they can buy a subscription or pay one off for events they might be interested.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    But the test cards are vital and all those empty LCN's and Oireachtas (and News Now) couldn't be merged or bandwidth shared with RTE Junior or use the deadtime overnight on RTE1 for the non-live stuff.

    Stick the Public Broadcasting Service channels on MUX 1 and let the rest split the costs of MUX 2 themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭garrettod


    We really all need to start fighting this crap - enough is enough !

    Everyone here needs to send an email to all of their local TDs, and Eamon Ryan (Minister for Communications), demanding that RTE be cut down to size, and that we finally see an end to the croniesm that erodes our licence fees every year.

    While the politicans don't like having to do any work, they'll tackle this if they think enough people want it done, and it's not gulping to cost them anything.

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The property tax presently supports things that I have no interest in. The point is that many people have interest in these things and they are available to all.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You seem to have made a leap with that leap being that RTE is for the common good which many people, with good reason, don't believe to be the case.

    Trying to justify RTE as being something which is for the common good would have been the correct place to start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    That's the second time I've seen the National Trust mentioned in this discussion, I skipped over it the first time but now seeing it again I wonder what I am missing.

    What exactly do you mean by "a subscribers model similar to the UK national trust" ?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Trying to justify RTE when TG4 can provide Public Service Broadcasting for a fraction of the price is a wee bit difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The complaints against RTE are consistent and have been for quite some time, As a government sponsored enterprise (GSE) the organisation has been stagnating in its current state and matters are going to come to a head (i.e. appoint a receiver). RTE is a content provider among several in the Irish market, their public service operating model is based on that of the 1930s BBC, the technology and marketplace has changed substantially and all content providers have been forced to adapt rapidly over the past 20 years.

    In this new market the public recognises they are being served very bland fare and they realise they are being exploited by a monopoly in which they have with no say. They idea of RTE organised as a trust originates from Sir Alan Peacock, it's not the only idea floating around.

    A feasible model for BBC ownership would involve turning the licence fee into a subscription, as proposed above. The BBC would be able to provide different packages for different service levels, both domestically and internationally. It would also be able to sell programmes on a pay-per-view basis and make some service available for free with or without advertising on appropriate platforms. There could be differences between the subscriptions for streamed, digital, and broadcast content and content viewed with a time delay. There could also be different subscription rates, for example for students and older people. Such differentiation of subscription levels helps promote welfare maximisation where the value of the service differs between groups and the marginal cost of providing the service is zero (Peacock Committee, 1986, pp. 29–30). Within this model, all individuals and commercial entities that subscribe to a certain level would become equal owners in a mutual structure for the BBC. Instead of the trustees of the BBC being appointed by representatives of the licence-fee payer (notionally the government), they would be elected by the subscribers in the same way as the trustees of a charity such as the National Trust are proposed and elected or in the same way as the board of a mutual building society is elected. The National Trust has 6 million members and so the scale of the BBC as a mutual organisation would be similar to that of the National Trust, though somewhat larger.


    source


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,623 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Nothing will ever happen because the RTE stars all join the circle jerk with politicians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Thanks for that.

    I'll have a look at the links.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭10000maniacs



    "RTE should have just bought out one MUX for themselves"

    Yeah right.

    Where did RTE get the money in the first place to run the MUX's?

    RTE don't have to reach very far into their pockets for carriage. Only the viewers pockets.

    RTE's job is to act as an agent for Irish license payer actually. That's where the money to run the MUX's comes from, i.e. the viewer.

    The License fee money subsidizes the MUX's by payment of our €165 a year and as such we should demand/expect HD on every channel by default.

    (Well HD for the Saorview channels that show movies and sport at the very least.)

    The license fee should be reduced until every channel that requires HD is HD. Why the hell else are we paying the license fee?

    To see Tubbs crucifying 'Singin' in the Rain' in HD in the name of a Toy Show?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,974 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




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