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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭KildareP


    The amount of ads you have to sit through in the often vain attempt to actually watch something on their player should be raking them a fortune alone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Summitatem


    The return on the licence fee is appalling... The RTE news is terrible....its like a loony left advertisement.


    The wages are obscene... When Sharon highlighted Dobbs was on more than her why was it accepted hers were too low? His were loony. They've created a new role for the chap returning from the US.

    The newsreaders over Christmas were no worse than the usual but likely on quite normal salaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,623 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Once they stop paying the top earning "stars" more than the president of the USA for less than a full time job, they might be supported by me. There is not one single person in this country worth nearly 500k a year for a few hours work each week. Not one. Yet RTE seem to think we have 2 (Tubs and D'Arcy) who are worth more, closely followed by Duffy and Finucane. They can all go feck, they're not worth one salary between the 4 of them.

    Bring in a threshold, max salary of 200k (still too much imo) for those doing multiple roles/shows across tv and radio. If they think they're worth more, off with them to other shores to earn it. There's no doubt a massive pool of talent who would be willing to work for a measly 200k per annum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's fairly simple really.

    First we need to decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then decide how to pay for it.

    I favour the direct funding model because there are no collection costs, no evasion and TV becomes free at the point of use just like radio is now.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Before any increase is approved we need to know where the current funding goes. The "stars" are an issue but i'd imagine there are a lot of off screen earners getting a decent few quid too.

    The app needs to work too with less ads.

    Get rid of fair city and other shite.

    Start improving output and them come back looking for more money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast




  • Posts: 471 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it was anyway as good as the UK national broadcasters I'd pay but RTE is truely shocking.

    The only thing I watch is crimecall once a month on it. I've never paid for a TV license and never intend to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    1st November 2022 will mark 100 years since the BBC introduced licencing. Of course this was radio only until the 1930s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There is another long running thread on the subject of RTE and their unending quest for more tax revenue to be redirected to them . . . .

    There is a problem that more taxation won't solve.

    The question not being asked how much longer can the linear media broadcast format remain relevant? This is not just an RTE problem, the same problem is affecting UK broadcast stations (BBC, ITV etc) and many US television stations less so to those that cater to older audiences e.g FOX news. There are households in Ireland that have no connection to or limited consumption of RTE and other Irish media broadcast companies and in that context raising the price does not win any new converts and probably pushes off those who are already irregular consumers.

    Their only way forward is to develop funding based on a subscription model that allows consumers to pick and chose what they want, otherwise if you have a specific idea how broadcast media should be then run it as a subscriber-owned club model similar to the national trust does in the UK.

    Subsiding a costly failing business model with more taxation is just delaying the inevitable. RTE can be switched off right now, the world is moving on.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Muff_Daddy


    I'll pay an increase in my TV licence of 16% when the top 20 earners of RTÉ take a 16% decrease on their salaries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I'm eagerly anticipating the new (2020) millionaire factory figures due to be released in January. Of course this depends on Dee not having one of her bouts of amnesia again. Figures should be interesting this year as it's the 1st year to be published after the 15% cut was announced at the end of 2019.

    Below are the last figs from 2019 and I have shown the -15% figs [] if all remained as is. But it didn't and that makes it tricky to estimate the new figs. For instance - Duffy should be approx 333k but will be on much more due to extra TV stuff (I nearly called it work there) and the fact that he took very few holidays as he was too bust telling us to wash our hands to avoid an airborne virus. Perry, Sarah Mc, Claire Byrne and BOC are all unknown quantities as their roles/programmes have improved or are new placements.

    In my 2020 estimated figs there's a lot of guess work involved but I don't think I'll be out by that much. Based on those figs alone this would make the highest earner in RTE the delightful Mr Noel Kelly - Just from the 6 NKM people below (2020) his Co, if it's a 20% commission, gets 442k and is excluding all his other crew - 2fm presenters, Bannon, Wallace, Geary, Baz etc etc etc ... the list goes on and on and on and on... I couldn't be arsed going into it further atm but I would think NKM shakes down the millionaire factory for anything between 700k and 1m pa.

    I'd love to see a RTE/VM/Bauer pact where they cooperate and state: 'We don't do agency stuff anymore - We employ/pay you directly or FO somewhere else'. Yep, that would shake things up nicely.

    Happy Twenny Twenny two Noel, ya ya ya ya, c'mere listen, you're totally worth it.


    2019                                                               -15%

    Ryan Tubridy - €495,000        (NKM)                [420k] 

    Ray D’Arcy - €450,000           (NKM)           [382k] 

    Joe Duffy - €392,494             (NKM)           [333k]             

    Sean O’Rourke - €327,988 

    Marian Finucane - €358,013 

    Miriam O’Callaghan - €320,000  (?)                [272] 

    Claire Byrne - €250,000          (NKM)           [212] 

    Brendan O’Connor - €220,000  (NKM)         [187]    

    Bryan Dobson - €209,282         (RTE)

    Mary Wilson - €196,961          (RTE)

    _______________________________________________________

    2020 

    Ryan Tubridy - €420,000        (NKM) 

    *Joe Duffy - €333,000  (NKM) - (prob nearer 390k)

    Ray D’Arcy - €382,000          (NKM) 

    *Claire Byrne - €400,000 - est      (NKM) 

    *Catriona Perry - €320,000 - est    (NKM)  

    *Sarah McInerney - €320,000 - est   (?)

    Miriam O’Callaghan - €272,000 - est   (?) 

    *Brendan O’Connor - €187,000  (NKM) ) - (prob nearer 300k)    

    *Bryan Dobson - €240,000 - est     (RTE)

    David McCullagh - €240,000 - est  (RTE)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Taking your chances does not work if you pay for cable tv. Sky tv from a media provider virgin eir tv etc you.ll get a visit from the licence inspector. Theres alot of people who watch tv on tablets or laptops or pc. The app works fine you can watch in a browser. It must be up to date version. Chrome or brave browsers are ones I use. Rte need the money from ads. Making tv dramas tv shows is very expensive. The funny thing is the ads always work even if the tv show itself does not play properly on older browsers versions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Question for everyone complaining about salaries are you the organisations chief accounting officer?  If not, why are the operating expenses (OPEX) of the organisation of concern to you? 

    Rather than the usual diatribe about salaries and production values lets look at it another way. To legally watch broadcast television in this county you must currently pay a minimum €160 from your income after other income taxes have already been deducted. 

    Calculations are back of the envelope, a person on minimum wage must work just over ~2 days per annum ($160/€10/7.5 hours) just to legally watch television. Let's assume a single income household on an average hourly wage of €22 you must work ~1 day (€160/€22/7.5 hours) to legally watch TV.  In practice the cost to us in terms of hours you MUST work is HIGHER due to the all the other subventions RTE receives from government taxation and borrowing and if you really want to be pedantic about how many hours you must work there are your own running operating expenses to consider (electricity and heating, carbon taxes) to enable you to sit watching the TV or listening to the radio.   Think about that you need to expend >1 or >2 days labour per annum just to be able to watch TV.

    How many hours of Broadcast (TV & Radio) do you consume per annum? If you are the average adult you are consuming ~3 hours TV per day. The numbers were skewed last year due to the lock-downs, if you include internet streaming and DVDs you may have been watching ~5 hours video content per day.

    Lets assume RTE is getting an average 2 hours per day of your time that is ~730 hours per annum or cumulatively 45 days of your waking hours (assuming 8 hours for sleep).  Then you get into the subjective area of opportunity cost - could you be doing something more productive with that time? If so, RTE is more of a drain on economic activity and well-being than we first thought . . .

    If you are spending 45 days per annum watching or listening to RTE broadcast content your complaint is not really about salaries. Is your complaint really that you would like to spend even more hours consuming RTE content if they would produce more of it or is the complaint that you would prefer to work less hard to be able to afford to consume RTE content?  What is the cut off price where you would walk away from broadcast TV?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That you Dee? I spend no time watching RTE, none, not even the news! It's horrid sh1te!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Don't worry the Tories are on that. They've removed the subsidy for OAP's so the BBC are skint. Also making noises about turning Channel 4 into a commercial station where it would be just another Channel 5.

    RTE have made some great stuff over the years like Hands but follow formulas most of the time, hence my suggestion to give TG4 the gig.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,039 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Increase the charges aimed at advertisers…

    rte is the only show in town… virgin media one viewership has plummeted according to TAM ratings..and is on a severe downward trend…

    rte is owned by the state.. I’d like it be funded by the state, the entire population contributing.

    the argument…’ I don’t watch tv ‘… forget it… some people are never sick and in hospital… should they get a tax break based on that ?

    tv license inspectors, that’s a cost footed by the taxpayers 13 euros an hour is paid to each inspector …. that money would be better spent elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Just Some Young Lad


    I’m in the 18-30 bracket. I don’t know anyone that watches RTE for anything other than the news and sport, maybe some watch the Tommy Tiernan Show.

    Love/Hate was the last really good show that they put out.

    I have no interest in paying a licence charge for a service that I get very little use out of in the grand scheme of things. I’d prefer to pay BT or Sky an extra €20 for the sport. At least their pundits know what they’re talking about.

    The future of state media should be meeting the desires of those that will be funding it… but it’s not. And it seems it can’t. So I think it’s time to bin it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,217 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    I pay taxes so everyone has health care and a better standard of living for the whole population and for when I need it as well.

    I don't want to fund a TV station that throws constant misery down peoples throats making them depressed whilst lining the pockets of a minority


    And this baloney about 14% licence evasion is just an excuse to get more money off the government - the numbers not using a TV increase year on year


    Even the LLS show which used to be prime Friday night entertainment is one long misery fest, followed by Tubs doing a week long misery fest radio show, followed by Duffy's obsession with death and stuff that happened decades ago (to fund new books he may be writing) followed by the totally inept and banal hospital radio quality D'arcy. Three of the highest paid "stars" in RTE - I challenge anyone to tell me that is value for money!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    I find it irritating that the only stations in HD on Saorview are RTE ones.

    This is because RTE charge exorbitant rates for HD, and of course RTE carriage on Saorview is subsidised by the license payer and the independents are not. They need to level out the playing field in this area, allow the others switch to HD for a more reasonable rate.

    This is the type of thing I would expect the license fee to be spent on. Improving the Saorview platform for all stations. If somebody only watched Virgin Media, they still have to pay the license fee, so it's only fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Tidyboii


    I pay my licence fee, watch very little actual tv. maybe 3 hours of netflix a week. Can't justify why I'm still paying when the last thing I actually watched regularly was Hell week. Rte show F all worthwhile. A lot of the scheduling is for mid/late life viewers who have routines set in stone. Imagine asking a teen/young adult to start watching Fair City???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Because I am forced to pay for it, regardless of if I want to use it or not.

    The scenario you refer to would be applicable to a private company, where you can opt in or out, not to the TV license.

    There should be a fee to cover limited PSO such as basic news, beyond that stick it behind a paywall on a subscription basis, let people decide if they want to subscribe or not, the market will then set the budget to pay for accounting officer to work within.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Just look at this shite that we have to look forward to in the new year


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-cnn-reporter-donie-osullivan-25788476



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,217 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Christ - some self serving in the right place at the right time talentless individual that RTE wanna pick up again

    I'm confused how he ever got a job at CNN????


    Note he's not a journalist but a correspondent with a very specialised conspiracy field



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    "Hailed as a national treasure"...


    Jesus Fùcking Christ

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    We seem to have this desperation to be loved everywhere a typical programme put out about someone doing a job but of course it will to have him loved by all and sundry he's a correspondent doing his job he's not running the country .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,971 ✭✭✭plodder


    How come nobody in the Dáil supports funding RTE from general taxation? I find it hard to believe that the "left" would object to abolishing a regressive charge like the TV license.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 rocjohn


    Freedom of expression and Freedom to ignore that expression are two sides of the same coin.


    Refusal to pay for RTE's right to Freedom of expression is a form of Political Dissidence.Even if you ignore the message you still must pay for it or face imprisonment.



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