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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,811 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Joe Duffy occasionally cries he doesn't get sick pay 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Thanks. First we need to stop complement people, the questioner starts by saying that you have performed well at the Oireachtas committees. This is similar to when people say oh RTÉ is good for News and Current Affairs … but.

    Second. I'd argue that Beforbes is general angry when he is at those committee meetings, he is dismissive of everything IMO.

    Beforbes is shocked at this mistreatment of contractors ! its as if he wasn't Deputy Director General of RTÉ in the past.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,842 ✭✭✭Tow


    In deed. But I would think Joe is tight with money and has a pension. He has second home in Wexford, so could sell a property to help fund retirement. It is hard to know what they have. There are lots of 'self employed' in RTE on far less money. G. Ryan was on twice Joe's money, not taking inflation into account. Yet he died penniless, after snorting his money up his nose.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Expunge


    The audio from the Town Hall Meeting is well worth a listen if just to hear how patronising Emer Cusack (Head of HR) is.

    Being questioned by one of the minions is not to her liking.

    Also, apparently Kevin Backhurst's body language is very defensive in the video.

    This could get murkier and murkier for this crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think people are massively being fooled by Kevin Beforbes, his body language is always defensive, his Oireachtas committee appearances haven't been all that good. He's there to server up the same old same old, his mission is to keep everything as is. I imagine many of the contractors will take being a staff member soon and RTÉ will avoid contractors in the future, hence why they are pushing for FC and TLLS to move outside of the organization, let the indos deal with contractors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭crusd


    In my experience, heads of HR that dont sound patronising at just good at hiding their condescension of the ordinary worker. You need to remember, the Job of HR is to protect the organisation form its employees, as much as they want to tell you otherwise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,097 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Why are this lot not 'cleaned out' before they cost the taxpayer any more money.

    The management of the place seems to dwell in the realm of 'Faulty Towers' and the only answer seems to be is to stiff

    JQTaxpayer with the bill to clean the gaff up?

    And yet the same lot surface again with the same issues and the same huge wedges managed by the same coterie of

    chancers who seem to have fingers in every pie.

    Time to drain the swamp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,427 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If Bakhurst really does think that compliance with the law is optional, he needs to resign or be fired pronto.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    said it months ago,fraud squad shouldve been brought in when tubsidy and dees and noels wee arrangement came to light,whole thing should be shut down,leave a couple of it lads to keep the servers etc running,grab the first person passing off the street to read the news a couple of times a day,keep it closed until the whole thing is looked through by the fraud squad…


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo,kevo…im still waiting on my free rte branded flip-flops and macaroons…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Getting info from the Dept and from CnaM is like pulling teeth. They do not want to be contacted by the public.

    The Media division of the department are refusing to take phone calls and have issue a request to that effect to the porters at reception.

    Meanwhile the CnaM have ditched their info@ email in preference for the new users support email address.

    Emailed info@ on 10/12 with

    RTÉ has proposed to close a number of digital radio stations in 2024. 

    I believe the RTÉ have issued this proposal under the broadcasting act 2009, section 103. 

    I believe that the Department has sent the CnaM the proposal. Do you know when you will be able to make a decision on this proposal? 

    No reply, I left it until after Christmas to which I replied on 14/1

    Did you receive my email dated 10/12/2024. 

    I think that is plenty of time for them to reply, to which they forwarded it on to their user support team with

    We received the below complaint via reception. 
    Would you please be able to respond? We can assist with wording as required. 

    So firstly its not a complaint, secondly you sending it on to someone you clearly don't believe will be able to answer the question. Meaning you are going to have to write the answer.

    User Supports answer

    Thank you for contacting Coimisiún na Meán.  

    The Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media is required to consult with Coimisiún na Meán regarding the sectoral impact and the public value of the proposal submitted by RTÉ to close four of its Digital Radio Services. Our role is to act in an advisory capacity to the Department for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media. However, the final decision as to whether to permit the closure will rest with the Minister. 

    We are currently in the process of carrying out our assessment and will provide a summary report to the Department in March 2025.

    I suppose saying "when will will make a decision" was my fault as I did mean "when would they advise the Minister".

    So the digital radio stations that were due to be closed in 2024 the CnaM will advise the minister in March of their view which will be to close the stations!

    Civil servants are further entrenching themselves, with a view never to answer a phone call and never to answer an email, rather get a call centre to do it for you. Sadly the call centre added CnaM's forwarded email back to me in their reply.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,857 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Was there anything in the vague programme for government with respect to RTE or will they kick that loyal but wasteful can down the road ??

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I think they have a common understanding….

    RTE:- You don't put us in any of your programs (GOV) and we won't put you (TDs) in any of our programs!!!

    Post edited by ForestFire on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Same as the old guy

    RTÉ’s Director of Audio, Patricia Monahan, said: “For decades, RTÉ 2FM has been a launchpad for some of the most recognisable names in Irish broadcasting. This legacy continues on both our weekday and weekend schedules, as we continue to nurture the next generation of presenting talent and bring new voices to the national airwaves,  I have no doubt that they will add their unique flavour to 2FM’s iconic sound and look forward to working with them and the entire team to engage and inspire listeners as we embark on a new and exciting era for 2FM. With this diversity of original Irish voices, and our renewed commitment to Irish music, 2FM will truly be the Sound of the Nation.”

    Speaking ahead of the tournament, Declan McBennett, Group Head of Sport, RTÉ said: 

    “As we embark on an exciting year for rugby, the anticipation surrounding the 2025 Six Nations Championship is palpable. RTÉ is proud to continue its commitment to sports fans nationwide by delivering free-to-air, multi-platform coverage of this prestigious tournament, in collaboration with Virgin Media Television. With expert analysis across all RTÉ platforms, rugby fans can enjoy every thrilling moment throughout the Championship, without missing a beat of the action.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,427 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well that's a load of old bollocks as all of the big names on 2FM (back when it still had big names) got started on the pirates, they hardly brought on anyone new for 20+ years and those they have brought in since are nothing to write home about

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Field east


    it’s not free to anything - let alone Free -To - Air. I pay you the annual TV licence. And you will be getting from me andthe other income tax/VAT , PRSI , Property tax and other taxes €60 m over the next 5 years. Free to air how are you . Do you take us for fools still?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Why are you paying the TV Licence? I stopped. Not advocating that you stop, wouldn't do that here, but many have stopped haven't seen a TV Licence inspector in my life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Doireann Garrihy is back on 2FM, her podcast must not be doing so well. Bakhurst said he would no longer be dealing with NK, yet here RTE is doing so. They have some neck over there in Montrose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,886 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,097 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    here comes the Montrose mafia………. leather elbow brigade



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Bakhurst made that utterance regarding NK in a World where

    1 democracy was actually functioning

    2 there was no enormous effort by RTE along with the lines of Easons to rehab NK "Talent"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Minster Patrick O'Donovan, he might define Public Service Broadcasting to RTÉ so that he can then do the right thing and split the company up. So we can first consider what we want from public service broadcasting. I doubt it. Here is a politican who went into a committee room with RTÉ and asked why the repeat willy wonka at Christmas, surprising while I dislike repeats and RTÉ, I defend RTÉ on this, firstly a small bit of cinema history and secondly it gets 130k viewers each year!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    Errr if RTE started to shitc*n NK roster members I say over 50% of there content would cease to exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Screen Producers Ireland had an promo running as to what RTÉ would be like without Indo producers, perhaps NK should do up something similar 😂


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,796 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Or….she had her 6 months away where she could collect as many freebies as possible, and is now back into the warm embrace of the public teat. Expect a break or something in a year or so when she wants a free Berlingo or whatever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Indeed for example she won't have to declare her time at DWTS, that can wait for next year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-public-trust-6601541-Jan2025/

    When asked whether it should have made the figure clear in its annual report, RTÉ said it would continue to use the current method.

    “RTÉ’s Annual Report covers the entire year, not any specific quarter. This remains the case when figures go up, as well as down,” a spokesperson said.

    “The figure you are referring to for Q3 is the lowest point over the course of 2023. These trust scores have increased since then,” it added.

    Where is the leadership team to answer these questions?

    69% - Before scandal (not meeting the 75% target, and as I pointed out in another tread that 75% target has not be met in at least 5 years)

    32% - Following

    Overall for the year it was 52% … but "the spokesperson" does tell us what 2024 has been like rather that figure will be release with the annual report. A figure to hand which is not part of any audit process. Will it remain at 52% or drop below 52%?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Seriously thought he might of got over what he thinks to be a strong argument, he hasn't got a clue

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41561782.html

    As I say there is a certain ligitamacy to a public service broadcaster airing older films. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is from 1968 and is based on a story by Ian Fleming and was written by Roald Dahl, long with it being toward the end of the Musical era if not by a good decade.

    O'Donovan might have an issue with Roald Dahl (I believe he might have good cause) but again there is some ligitamcy in a PSB airing Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory due to it starring Gene Wilder, who is one of the greatest comic actors of his era.

    But then Willy Wonka as I pointed out had 131k viewers on Christmas Day so it not like people are turning away from such films.

    In actual fact I would argue that RTÉ, VMTV and TG4 don't air enough films pre-1980, at what point do repeats of Home Alone and Die Hard become out of touch. (In fairness to TG4 they have the Western but many are on repeat).

    The rest of his statement is a load of babble tbh and nothing new


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,937 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    RTÉ seeks €225,000 sponsorship for Doireann Garrihy’s new 2FM afternoon show - is Doireann still part of NK agency?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    She is, Beforbe's only stated he wouldn't be in conversation with NK, basically building a wall around him.

    I assume it works like this

    Head of 2fm works with his team to deliver a new host / DJ, they negotiate a price, it then goes to the Director of Audio whom starts the negotiations proper along with head of 2FM, this is then send to the Leadership team and from their to the board and back down the line to give Doireann a nice pay cheque, this prevents the DG signing of on payments unilaterally. But ultimately he is the person that will take any blame. Beforbes doesn't really seem to understand this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    to coin a phrase…what a load of bollix


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo,kevo…im still waiting on my free rte branded flip-flops and macaroons…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I 'get' what he's saying, a lot of these older movies are also cheaper to air, compared to paying to screen a more successful recent film.

    But most of the rest of what he said sounds like a way to justify the almost Billion euros RTE got to bail its self out.

    He at least acknowledges that the young audience are abandoning TV, and it's doubtful they'll return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,097 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Very dissapointed ‘The Robe’ wasn’t on over the holiday period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    He does but content is content, he doesn't mention that since 2011 RTÉ choose to invest €3m into 2fm every year, while cutting funding to young peoples content, RTÉ decision to avoid comedy and to cut their funding of Drama, areas that might attract younger people to their content rather than the platform on which they sit.

    The €1k (possibly even less for older movies) cost of airing older movies pales in comparison to the €25k paid to each of RTÉ's leadership/executive board team in allowances each year.

    When do Home and Alone and Die Hard stop cutting it in his view?

    Also I would much rather Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Willy Wonka over the weekly Hallmark Movies RTÉ have chosen to show every Saturday and Sunday on RTÉ2.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Oh I get that. Under Dee's tenure, you could see the shows and movies dropping in quality. There was more 'local' or 'nostalgia' programs, while execs and presenters got insane pay rises. The programming got cheaper, and even the news programming went to absolute crap. And RTE used to have a pretty solid news team. But when you saw Rte journos crying over the horrific resources and pay circumstances during the Tubridy pay scandal, and even now seeing his smug, sinister in retrospect, grin, and saying 'he's forgiven RTE'… I'm reminded of the hard working journalists who quite often put their lives in danger, who were often told 'we don't have the money', and I still find the managing of RTE to be sickening.

    (I hate the term 'content' though. It used to be that you'd hear people talk about their 'work', their 'art', or their 'craft'… content implies everything is as disposable as toilet paper. Art is timeless, content is not. Apologies for the tangent.)

    And yet they think people will welcome Doirreann Garrihy back with open arms. Didn't they have to bring in two other presenters because her solo ratings were awful? And that was before the scandal, and her 'sponsorships' and 'the party on the Garrihy boat'.

    That ain't water under the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,731 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    If past performance based on O'Donovans stint in the office of public works (OPW) is a guide to future results, I would not hold out much hope.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    is he the Man that’s trapped inside a Boys body?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭sxt


    Why hasn't there been some journalistic expose/ Rte prime time esque exposure of this scandal on ( Any Neflix execs on here) , focusing in on Dee Forbes

    Her lawyering up and not co-operating is an expression of guilt in himself in my book

    Why doesn't some young budding journalist in the Leitrim express go after this story..

    Why did Dee Forbes get the role when she wasn't in the running at one stage. Close to the announcement of new Rte boss, head of what is now Virgin Media was the favourite , Bakurst was 2nd favourite

    https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-director-general-row-6045549-Apr2023/

    Why did the board pick Dee over more qualified candidates ?

    Was Dee corrupt or did the board corrupt Dee? Did the toxic Rte culture corrupt her?

    WhY isn't the frauding squad investigating Dee for fraudulent misssapopriation of public funds.

    Why can John or Jane doe be summoned to court for not paying Rte 160 euro and she can fraudulently gift people 2.6 million euros and get a free pass

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-paid-out-26m-in-golden-handshakes-to-executives-during-dee-forbess-reign/a186595968.html

    How much money is Rte paying her now?

    So many questions..

    Surely this story can't go unanswered forever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭sxt


    Or the alternative view and possibly more realiistic view, given that there is zero scrutiny over Dee Forbes ...at any level...

    That the Rte hierarchy and the Government are the real villians and Dee Forbes is the sacrificial lamb and scapegoat

    Public will blame Dee, No action, No accountability needed

    That's why there is no interest in pursuing this national scandal

    There are so many skeletons in so many closets ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭somuj


    Would the common man be able to make a complaint and have RTE investigated for fraud?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If there was an indication of criminality then such an investigation would have begun soon after the scandal was revealed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    With say 35,000 new homes a year X e160. That's an extra 5.6 million a year those parasites are getting...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    That should be the way it works, but it's not in this case. The in-the-governments-pocket Garda Commissioner Druseless Harris came out and said they won't be investigating anything unless there's a complaint. Even though from my own time as a Garda, there were times I had to investigate in the public interest even without a complaint. I did email AGS and ask, no reply of course. He needs to be the next to go and hopefully replaced with someone who actually cares about the force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Dee is as much apart of this as anyone else involved, unless that was the plan to be that sacrificial lamb and scapegoat to further calls for more money for RTÉ? I can't imagine that to be the case. On your other post why did she get the job…

    Because … dare I say it … but it helped she'd had a career in London with Discovery … but also because you know … not that you can say that … but then I thought Geraldine O'Leary was going to apply … so I am probably wrong … I am sure it was purely down to her work with Ted Turner …

    @RabbleRouser2k I don't like the word content either (one RTÉ person called it product, which is far worse) but I think content covers a wide variety of programming.

    All in all Dee is recovering somebody tells me, they also suggest it wouldn't make a difference if she went to the Oireachtas to tell her side of the story.

    Recovering from what ? Guilt? Sorrow? Self-Pity? either way she was not well, and that Journey to the Oireachtas should be on it way.

    She sacraficed something

    I was at the above interview, I walked out of the hall and walked out and I said to another man who was clearly unhappy with what he had hear "What did you think of that?" he just look at me and said "bullshit"… I wish I'd spoken to him more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Not only is she part of NK agency she is getting a 6 figure sum for doing her new radio show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Can you show examples of white collar crime that has been investigated, and how such an investigation started? I don't really know enough about white collar crime but I do know its hard to start an investigation and then to actual make an arrest. Look at all the tribunals we've had over the years.

    The redundancy package to a former CFO must be consider at least up for investigation?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    She's only getting this if they find a sponsor willing to pay that fee. If a sponsor is like 'hell no, she's tainted goods' then they may have to negotiate a lesser fee for sponsorship.

    When she had her show, years ago, without co-hosts, her listenership was poor, and shrinking. Co-hosts had to be brought in to try and increase the listenership.

    Her podcast seems to have tanked, as well. The Tubridy effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    She stupidly thought her podcast would be her main earner. I have been podcasting 9 years and it's not my main earner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Starting a podcast is like starting a youtube channel. The age of 'successful' podcasts is long past.

    And since sponsors were avoiding her like the plague after the Flahavan's disaster, I'd say she was dying on her butt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    When I started my podcast very few people were doing them, and I have now done over 1500 podcasts. Now everybody and their arse is doing them. If I was thinking of doing a podcast today I would probably not do it as I could not guarantee it would be successful.

    I am lucky enough to get at least 2 emails a week offering guests to appear on my podcast. To me success is not scrambling around looking for your next guest and I vividly remember having to do that in the infancy of my podcast. Success to me is getting guests to appear on a regular basis. I recorded 2 podcasts last week and I will have recorded 2 more this week.



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