Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

Will they though? Many people in Ireland only vaguely support public transport if it gets other people out of their cars and out of their way. But they themselves wouldn't dream of using it.

Also worth pointing out 3/4 of Ireland population don't live in Dublin and will very rarely use the metro.

I'm from Offaly and for sure I would love to see the metro being built but in reality I would use it only a couple of times a year, It won't be a voting issue for me, I'll be voting for my local TD to deal with issues in Offaly/Loais first and that's the reality folks.

Dublin is not Ireland, Dublin constantly forget this, look I really hope and want ye to get the metro for sure but I also want later and more frequent train times on intercity routes and better local bus shedules as they impact me directly

No. How do you resume tunneling? You need the tunnel behind to take out spoil.

Would have to tunnel in from the other end, massively increasing cost and disruption

Dublin is the golden goose and its bled dry. If dublin could keep Dublin taxes , we could have world class infrastructure. A choked uncompetitive Dublin, is bad news for the rest of the country on many levels

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"Also worth pointing out 3/4 of Ireland population don't live in Dublin and will very rarely use the metro."

Yeah right. So Berlin shouldn't have a metro because 90% of germans cant use it on a daily basis?

Have you actually read the plan?

It is not being put on the never-never, it is going ahead. Unfortunately, because of the likes of Na Fianna, Dunville and others, there have been delays to the design process several times over the last decade resulting in the current plan. That is going to planning next year, but it will take a few years after that for procurement etc. to enable work to start.

It is the same for other plans. DART+ is delayed by residents in Ashtown and Coolmine forcing rethinks, but hopefully it will get going quicker as well. I would expect construction on that to start first.

That's quite a tale, again as I've stated to other people. Read my post again, where did I say Dublin shouldn't get a metro?

Right. Have these issues been worth spending billions extra on ? Because that has been the outcome... the cost for dealing with this nonsense, to Dublin and the actual financial cost implications, are a disgrace...

You reckon other eu countries afford them this level of control ? Has there been a consultation on the interior colour scheme of the metro carriages yet ? Debate on what music if any, should be piped through the speakers?

Yes the focus needs to be on clearing the hurdles as they come. Projecting ahead to future stages is obviously necessary but shouldn't be at the expense of the current stage. The next stage is planning, complete that and then move forward from there. Once planning is obtained there will be a clearer picture on cost.

The only costs that actually matter are those resulting from the procurement process and we will never get those unless we get to procurement stage. I suspect costs and timelines keep getting inflated to cover arses.

Years in which European countries opened their first Metro

Colm McCarthy has written the same old argument about Metrolink in the Sunday Independent. His argument is interpreting that people getting around on buses should be the only way that will solve Ireland's transport dilemma & not trains.

I cannot read the whole article as it's behind a paywall. But he is saying that in this article that not building Metrolink will be the only way of solving how people in Dublin can do their commute around the City including around the GDA. I am not sure if he is including Dart+ Expansion in that argument as well. But he is quoting the Irish MoS article's Metrolink cost of €10 billion in it.

If he had included the proposals contained in the GDA draft transport strategy in there as well; I might assume here that if you're reading the article right now; it might make for a depressing read.

I do have to admit that his analysis on Metrolink alone just reinforces the point that it still become a big waste of money in his eyes. If we are going to get back on a longer term recovery in our economy after Covid becomes stable along with air travel coming back to normal. The pressure on people who do use Dublin Airport on a day to day basis will become very chronic over the longer term.

Having people want to continue to stick with using buses to travel in & out of the biggest airport in our country is not a good sign in how he wants it to improve it's reputation by not having high quality PT infrastructure on offer for people who live in the capital.

McCarthy just wants to reinforce the supposed popular narrative coming from himself & all of the nimbys involved in not seeing the bigger picture in that he is just quite happy with Dublin to suffer with not having a transport system that will offer real & tangible benefits to people who live in the city centre including within the GDA.

If he wants to see an increase in the economy's competitiveness, if he wants to see people remain with a good quality of life, if he wants to good benefits accrued in this country from tackling climate change emissions from the recent Cop26 deal being made yesterday along with the added bonus of low carbon housing being built while it's dotted along the Dublin City & County landscape in his future economic forecasts.

He needs to have the gumption to add Metrolink in his forecasts sometime to see that benefit become a huge reality for all Dubliners in the long run. If he doesn't do that he is just running a fundamentally lost cause to people who have different opinions on how they live around the city.

If people in Dublin want to have the Metrolink to be built in the future. He has to listen to their real reasons why they would want to use it as it may become a big influence in how it will improving their quality of life.

Dublin Airport is going to become the biggest area of generated demand to support this new piece of infrastructure in the future. The amount of passengers that we have seen coming in and out of the airport before Covid came along were going through it at a constant rate. It showed no signs of stopping back then. And that level of demand that's generated there and then will certainly not make any steps to die off permanently in the future.

It's the strongest guarantee yet that it will not become a supposed waste of money in the future. Metrolink will become a huge success while it serves Dublin Airport.

Oh mark my words. These sentiments coming from me will just be reinforced over & over again. Just wait & you see it once people get the Covid booster vaccines which will gives them the assured long term of immunity once it goes into their arms. Once that happens people should get back to work soon if that is possible.

They will go through there in a few years time and still will become absolutely shocked in how this country still does not have a Metrolink line in the biggest airport in the country if they come & visit for work or for leisure here in the future.

The level of ignorance that's coming from McCarthy & the nimbys involved in being against Metrolink has got to give way soon.

I'd say there is more chance of the construction completing earlier than planned than there is of planning being concluded early. Every major roads project seems to be completed well within the timeline given. The contracts structure for Metrolink should allow for multiple things to happen concurrently.

With the SHD process being closed, ABP will hopefully have more resources to devote to Metrolink. The Galway Ring Road and M21 should also be out of ABP soon and I don’t think there will be may other major projects going there in the next six months.

Agree regarding padding, I've said it before here too, arse covering factored in too.

The contracts strategy should mitigate against an NCH situation, not relying entirely on one contractor and delays in one doesn't necessarily delay the others.