Heavyweight Boxing

walshb · 30-11-2021 2:48pm

I just realised that I said solid body composition describing Ruiz….🤔😝

squinn2912 · 30-11-2021 2:51pm

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Bejaysus you’re like Whytepedia!

He’s hard to like. Bit of a clown too with the stabproof vest… From a boxing point of view he is as game as they come. I think Fury would be a bad match up for him but that’s depending on how Fury would turn up.

Aw that brother nonsense. Remember he did something on a plane restraining some guy and they started interviewing him before a fight? He sounded coked to the eyeballs. He’s meant to be a boxer too.

squinn2912 · 30-11-2021 3:02pm

I thought I posted that one yesterday but it was saved as a draft. Hate that!

Emmmmmmmm I’d make Ruiz a favourite here. Huge opportunity for him. One thing for Wilder is that he doesn’t panic when he gets hit and he is very durable. If Ruiz is in some kinda shape then his superior boxing will really test Wilder. He doesn’t sit that open for those big haymakers. If the fight were to go the distance then I’d favour Ruiz. Wilder has only ever won one decision and in his last two fights he’s be battered. I don’t think he will be the same fighter again.

AckwelFoley · 30-11-2021 4:44pm

Ruiz hasn't the brain capacity or the discipline to get in the proper shape an stay consistent.

I'm probably being a bit harsh but his second fight joshua said alot for me.

He may be able to punch but one thing wilder has that can't be denied is a heart and a chin. Something Joshua doesn't.

yourdeadwright · 30-11-2021 4:55pm

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Lemar Scott is his real name, I think he fought in MMA , he certainly has grappling experience ,

selectamatic · 30-11-2021 5:21pm

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Wilder doesn't have a chin. Bags of heart yes but he doesn't react at all well to heavy shots.

His heart and willingness to fight on till the bitter end is commendable though.

yourdeadwright · 30-11-2021 5:47pm

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Wilder defo has a chin,

He has a poor defence but he has a good chin we have seen that in the last two fights ,

AckwelFoley · 30-11-2021 5:47pm

Have to disagree. In my humble opinion Heart isn't worth alot if you get knocked out cold and you're asleep on the canvas

He took alot of shots from Fury and other fighters too for that matter and he lasted well.

I just think Ruiz turns up in the same shape as Eric Esch

He lost the 2 fights in his career that were against top level fighters.

walshb · 30-11-2021 6:43pm

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I disagree on chin...Fury isn't a big hitter and anytime Fury landed clean, Wilder was in proper trouble. He was not absorbing shots like you would associate a good chin with. Had Fury heavier power, and/or cleaner follow ups, Wilder was gone far earlier....

He’s not Amir Khan, but he’s far from Marvin Hagler.

Id' give him a B- for chin...

selectamatic · 30-11-2021 7:59pm

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We've seen animal heart imo. He really really didn't want to stay down and he recuperated well-ish but thats not a chin in the classic sense.

To me a chin is typified in scenarios like canelo and ggg landing bombs on each other and simply nodding back, smiling even.

Much rarer to see in the heavies for obvious reasons but many hw's have been noted for their chin down through history. Wilder won't be one of them.

yourdeadwright · 01-12-2021 12:09pm

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Hard to gauge how hard Fury hits

He has ko'd & stopped plenty of guys when he was "boxing " and still had enough power to make the like of Wlad afraid to open up ,

Then you have the current Fury at his current weight & with his current style , has he become a hard hitter ?

walshb · 01-12-2021 4:06pm

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Fury is not feather fisted, but he is not that much a hitter....

Anyway, the point was more about Wilder's chin

I think a bit of a mix up between solid chin vs heart and willingness to keep trying...

Wilder showed lot of fight and determination to keep going, but he did not show a real sturdy beard; a beard that reacts well to clean shots. He was hurt and wobbled and floored when hit clean. Now, had Fury been more clean and accurate on follow up, Wilder was gone rds earlier. Forget even power, just Fury more accurate earlier, and Wilder was finished.

I can't really give Wilder high marks for a solid chin. He does not have one.

blade1 · 03-12-2021 7:34pm

Reports of Joshua in talks to step aside for Usyk v Fury.

To be honest at this stage I'd rather watch that than Usyk/Joshua or fury/Joshua.

walshb · 03-12-2021 8:47pm

He was at pains to say it wasn’t to do with money, yet if the money is right he’ll consider it…

squinn2912 · 04-12-2021 12:22am

Saw all that a day or two ago… I can’t see what’s in it for Joshua? Paid to do nothing and have an easier fight but no belts? Gets the winner? Hopes Usyk wins and retires and Fury goes on a rampage?

squinn2912 · 04-12-2021 9:00am

I see that Michael Hunter was held to a draw Thursday night. What the hell is going on there why is he fighting on a Thursday card?

walshb · 04-12-2021 9:26am

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Because he’s a nobody!

squinn2912 · 04-12-2021 11:53am

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Well he came as close as Joshua to beating Usyk and is unbeaten otherwise. His opposition since a pretty good draw with povetkin has been horrendous. But he would get walloped by any decent HW

yourdeadwright · 04-12-2021 12:18pm

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I seen the interview on IFL tv from 6 days ago,

AJ is all over the place, shows how well he's been managed he owes Match room a lot

You can sew why he doesnt do much interviews, The lad comes across thick as two planks

Im not a big fan but some sent me a YouTube vidoe of that True Geordie chao breaking d9wn wn the video and hes spot on

AJ starts that it goes against all his morals to step aside for money &, he doesn't need money he wants repsect and literally two minutes later saying but he might step aside because its being a good business man,

Every 30 seconds say that opposite of what just came out of his mouth

squinn2912 · 04-12-2021 8:52pm

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Where is it on youtube? I must take a look. I think he’s looked very clueless in interviews recently.

yourdeadwright · 05-12-2021 8:02pm

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True Geordie Xtra

reclose · 05-12-2021 9:56pm

Just watched that AJ interview. It’s like he’s concussed.

Littlehorny · 06-12-2021 10:39am

Also on Youtube there is a video segment of a full interview that John Fury done recently, if you search "John Fury's brutal honesty on Anthony Joshua, is AJ finished?"

I think he makes a few god points but doubt Joshua and his team would listen to anyone tbh.

yourdeadwright · 06-12-2021 11:25am

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Its mad isn't it , was he drunk or high ?

He literally would say something & contradict it in the next sentence,

Strange how Eddie & Warren are also talking on camera about Fury & Usyk

AJ may have very well just gone off the rails a bit mentally & his team don't think he will be in ready in time, So they have decided to play it safe & smart and dodge the fight,

AdrianG08 · 06-12-2021 6:12pm

That true Geordie Xtra video is hilarious in his breakdown of AJs latest video. Pulls it apart.

Joshua surely cannot be seriously considering stepping aside? Clearly hoping Fury wins and wants to jump in against him for the big payday.

That latest interview with IFL is some of the best unintentional comedy you would ever see, how his "team" allow him near a microphone is just beyond me.

squinn2912 · 06-12-2021 10:02pm

Mo God who the hell is letting Joshua speak without a script it’s like a comedy sketch. Has his media team that guided him so well for a decade all been sacked instead of Rob? That is horrendous. Contrast that with the interview Fury did on IFL all off the cuff, funny and bullsh1t not blatently obvious. That dung about praying if the plane is going down. He’s made a cod of himself. I really hope he fights Fury just so that Fury can brutalise him about that nonsense in the build up. Bizarre. Actually becoming worrying.

reclose · 06-12-2021 10:48pm

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I just watched that video now. I’d never heard of him before. He’s bang on the money in my opinion.

yourdeadwright · 07-12-2021 9:29pm

So the WBC has ordered Fury to fight Whyte next

I wonder what Heran think means AJ will have to figh Uysk he cant make uo the step aside money excuse

Throws a spanner in the works for AJ and Hearn

Very intriguing how it turns out

squinn2912 · 07-12-2021 9:57pm

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What’s your prediction? The two fights are bound to go ahead Joshua vs Usyk and Fury vs Whyte

yourdeadwright · 07-12-2021 10:04pm

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Im convinced somethings going on with AJ ill be surprised to see him fight by March /April he looks all over the shop and how all of a sudden stepping aside is a option somethings going on there,

Fury will beat Whyte in 8 or 9

Honestly i cant aee both fights happing that easy,

If Fury v Usyk can happen i think the WBC will allow Fury to take the fight

yourdeadwright · 07-12-2021 10:07pm

Intresting to see Joseph Parker and his ex coach Kevin Barry have recently said Whyte wouldnt stand a chance in there with Fury, SId the levele where much different, Basically even implying he(Parker) wasnt on Furys leve

squinn2912 · 07-12-2021 10:58pm

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Had a look at that interview I didn’t think he said a lot about the Whyte Fury fight. Maybe there’s more? Barry wasn’t on the one I saw. I don’t think anyone has a chance against a properly prepared and motivated Fury but he can be lax, can be put down by glancing shots so could be taken out if hit clean. Whyte is a big enough lump to deliver that hit. It’s an exciting fight, particularly if that fight were made before the undisputed one.

AdrianG08 · 07-12-2021 11:40pm

You would have to imagine AJ is looking for a sellable or palatable way to avoid fighting Usyk again.

He will want to cash out against Fury and still make a massive purse. The inevitable loss against Usyk would leave that in tatters.

I was looking forward to the mental gymnastics AJ would put forward to explain the logic of avoiding it, but looks like it's already started.

squinn2912 · 08-12-2021 12:00am

He’s talking himself up as the best business man. If his step aside money plus a crack at Fury or Usyk whomever emerges victorious and his money for that outweighs his purse for the rematch then it does make business sense, but only if he doesn’t fancy himself to beat Usyk.

AdrianG08 · 08-12-2021 12:06am

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He talks about it not being about money, it's about respect.

You have to avenge your losses if you want respect, simple

eagle eye · 08-12-2021 3:17am

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Well another loss destroys the AJ Vs Fury massive payday for both. If he steps aside and Fury takes out Usyk then they've salvaged the big money fight. If AJ goes in again and loses to Usyk then the big money is gone.

yourdeadwright · 08-12-2021 11:37am

Something is up with AJ , he clearly thought twice about a rematch straight away & now he might have no choice, Terrible mindset going into a fight like that ,

He still hasn't found a new coach and if he is fighting April he needs to get things in place very quickly ,

Would the WBC let Fury skip Whyte if the undisputed fight is possible ?

Is Whyte still under Hearn ? Hearn will want to do what's best for AJ not Whyte cause obviously AJ brings him more cash, , so he could be stuck here ,

AdrianG08 · 08-12-2021 11:43am

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Yes but surely AJ cannot demand top billing and £££ that he always gets, if he gets the Fury fight having stepped aside to allow him to face Usyk? It just looks so bad.

Good businessman? He just looks like he knows he cannot beat Usyk.

08-12-2021 11:52am

Let's separate the wheat from the chaff and get Fury and Usyk in the ring.

Fury would dance around Whyte and Joshua doesn't have the skill nor mental fortitude to beat Usyk.

yourdeadwright · 08-12-2021 12:26pm

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Yes but AJ has the leverage of having the re-match contract ,

The undisputed fight does not happen next without his say ,

AJ will says to Fury & Usyk ok I'll step aside but i get 50/50 spilt to fight the winner,

If the two lads really want the undisputed fight next they take it ,if not AJ fights Usyk

Remember AJ still brings massive money to table & taking 50/50 against him will make you more money than fights anyone else ,

On the other hand if AJ fights Usyk again & loses he has no leverage and is now the B side

Mantis Toboggan · 08-12-2021 6:35pm

I'd fancy Joshua to take Usyk next time.

walshb · 08-12-2021 6:40pm

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He has to KO him....

I would be confident we'll get a more aggressive and better and better prepared Usyk, now that he knows what it's like to fight a big AJ

Usyk could get the KO

squinn2912 · 08-12-2021 7:30pm

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Joshua won’t win a fair points decision so he will have to really go for the KO. In doing so he opens up the risk of Usyk tagging him even easier and if his tendency to panic when hit clean continues then every chance he will be stopped himself, possibly on his feet. Of all the times he’s been knocked down he’s been shocked with a hit and then gradually tumbled to the canvass, losing his senses. I could see him stopped on his feet with the referee stepping in. That would look awful. I think the worst possible scenario for him, however, is repeat where he gets gradually broken down without really going for it.

yourdeadwright · 08-12-2021 10:55pm

A lad i quite known well is currently on Furys home coming tour with him

Absolutely sureal to see his social media & him hanging around with Tyson & John for the last 2 weeks, some experience id imagine to be with the Heavy Weight champion of the world day in day out,

squinn2912 · 08-12-2021 11:06pm

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For sure! It seemS like Fury is just always “on” too so there’d never be a dull moment. Id love a couple of hours just kicking back with John. He’d have some stories away from the cameras.

reclose · 08-12-2021 11:50pm

John gouged someone’s eyeball out. I don’t know the details but sounds like a fairly scumbag thing to do.

I wouldn’t have any time for someone like that.

squinn2912 · 08-12-2021 11:54pm

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I thought the fella lost an ear? Hard to know the whole context of it but yea it’s definitely not good.

walshb · 09-12-2021 9:50am

Scumbags in sport are generally adored. Look at Mike Tyson.

A convicted rapist..adored by many. Bit lumps out of a man’s ear when things weren’t going his way.

Before anyone jumps in: for me a great fighter. But a scummy person

Mantis Toboggan · 09-12-2021 9:56am

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Is it the impressionist Al Foran? Thought the impressions were class.

yourdeadwright · 09-12-2021 10:32am

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It is actually i know him through his family ,His a really nice guy

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