Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

That's simply not true though.

Myocarditis is common for infections with many virus including the common cold. Most people don't realise they have had it unless they went for a test.

The majority of cases of vaccine induced myocarditis have been mild and easily treated.

Sars-COV2 also causes myocarditis with a much higher chance of severe myocarditis.

I disgree. I think following restrictions helps to "bring on restrictions" - politically, not medically. Most people don't understand how autocratic societies work and think that if they do what they're told they'll be "rewarded" with freedom, which never happens.

Its in countries like Serbia, Georgia and some of the US red states where people won't follow restrictions that restrictions fall by the wayside (in practice, if not in law).

The most compliant countries, like Ireland and Scotland, are the ones where restrictions will linger for a long, long time.

The medical effect of things like social distancing is unknown. There were a few obscure studies modelled on influenza pandemics before 2020, then SD was 'rolled out' to the whole world via WHO and national governments. Almost from the moment it was accepted politically by the masses it was assumed to work due to the simple cause-and-effect logic ('Its not rocket science guys!') and defended with intense and fierce loyalty beyond reason. The actual effect of it is unknown/unproven still.

Same with many of the restrictions. I asked someone on this thread for a comparison pre-cert and post-cert rates of infection and they took their ball and went home. Even before vaccination we had rates of infection in certain settings and they were miniscule, I remember gyms in particular were tiny. There isn't even faint evidence that certs do a thing, there's just nothing. We get layered extrapolations of hypotheticals in lieu of hard evidence from posters who maybe don't understand the difference.

Its always been the case that the "efficacy" of the restrictions has been unknown and a mish-mash of different measures are taken in toto and defended as one - even though its possible for instance that one meaures works and another doesn't. But they are all handed down from on high which is what connects them.

children will be refused an education without a mask

children are asked not to play with other children

Do people actually hear what’s coming out of their mouths?

its **** insanity

It’s just their turn to be the bogeymen to distract the simpletons from the failings above.

They are been asked in public but told and enforced in private. And people see nothing wrong with that.

again it’s not the mask wearing that’s the problem it’s the way it’s been enforced along with all the other mandatory things been brought in.

The fear of antigen tests has been odd, you'd expect a big decrease in those young numbers if they were being used here.

OTOH, we're less restricted than other parts of Europe right now and our death rate remains low, so maybe it has "worked" even if it seems counter intuitive, but still odd.

Open in August, antigen testing to replace close contact tracing and we'd be in a better place (captain hindsight for the win), but hopefully we can get opened properly in Spring time and stay open (omicron effects not withstanding).

This is wildly statistically incorrect, as usual with your claims.

"The risk of 12-15 year old healthy boys experiencing cardiac adverse events such as myocarditis after their second dose of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine is around four times adolescents’ risk of being admitted to hospital as a result of infection with SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

And thats in teenage boys - nevermind even younger children.

In addition, there have been a total of 7 (not a typo) deaths of people under 25 from covid in Ireland over the last two years. 6 of whom had a serious underlying health issue. The risk of death from covid really is essentially zero to children. M_Murphy57 is right in his risk assessment.

The only reason the new vaccination push for children is being pushed is because the vaccines aren't working as well as was promised on reducing spread in adults. The government is desperate to do anything to reduce the case count, immediately. They're prioritizing reducing the number of cases in old people even very slightly over the long term health of children.

Super mild alright

The fact is, there hasn't been enough time for the people diagnosed with covid vaccine related myocarditis to know what the long term effects are. That's enough of a reason to hold off on injecting kids imo.

"Adverse cardiac events such as myocarditis" are what is defined in the study, not "mild", not "headaches", not "sore arms". Thats entirely your own incorrect interpretation and attempt to play down the seriousness of the effects.

In addition, at over 400% the risk from the vaccine vs from covid itself, as the study shows, it also means that even if only the top 1/4 most severe cases of adverse effects were included the risks from the vaccine would still be higher than from covid for teenagers.

And, again, thats for teenagers. Younger children are at even less risk from the virus, and even more risk from the vaccine.

Its pretty mind boggling that you immediately shift from claiming "the vaccines are lower risk than the virus" to "oh well the side effects from the vaccines aren't that serious". You just can't admit fault, or go against the government line, even when presented with verified statistics that completely disagree with the argument you're making.

And shur isn't it out there seeking the unvaccinated

That's what Niall Collins told us anyway

Go and look up the adverse events lists from the trials!

myocardities-whatever --> Vaccination thread?

(its boring too)